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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
.Pass a law that makes you culpable if your firearm is used in a crime.
. There are too many guns already on the street. So just put a end to the manufacture of ammo for any assault type weapons. . Go back to a ban on assault weapons and high capacity mags. . Hire a armed security guard for schools with the training and capability to neutralize any armed threat. I realize these points are simplistic politically unfeasiable and probably just plain impossible. But, any of these above points worth consideration? I mean we have to do something."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Crashfrog writes: There's no such thing as "ammo for assault-type weapons" because there's no such thing as an "assault-type weapon" - any firearm can be used to assault someone - and they don't use special ammo. Any ammunition designed to wound and kill humans.The 5.56mm and the 7.62 variants and .50cal etc.. Do you think the above munitions are not designed for the sole purpose but to fire with rapid succession, and to inflict bodily damage to human targets? .223 caliber, for instance, is a hunting round.
The .223 is based on the 5.56mm which was designed to be fired in the M16A1 assault rifle. It is the civilian version of the 5.56mmThe 5.56mm was the US answer to the 7.62 russian short which was designed to inflict wounds on the battle field and clogging up the enemies logistics with wounded. Not to mention the psycological impact of soldiers suffering wounds. The 5.56mm was also designed to reduce the weight of the ammo so a soldier could carry more. There's no such thing as a "safe" bullet to be shot with; there was nothing particularly lethal about the firearms used in any of these mass shootings beyond their high capacity magazines There is no such thing as a safe bullet is right. And if Fed law prevented the manufacture and ownership of these types of bullets by civilians we would see a reduction in the use of these types of arms being used in mass shootings."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
It was an utter farce. Why farce, a SKS or AK47 is not designed for anything other than shooting humans. If a weapon has a bayonet lug, then chances are it is a military weapon. If it is a military weapon, chances are it is designed for the sole purpose of shooting humans. If someone wants to own such a weapon fine. Let them do so under the same laws one must abide in owning a Uzi or Thompson."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Hi Catholic Scientist.
It didn't work with drugs, what makes you think it'll work with bullets? Apples and oranges, the fed does not allow the ownership and sale of fully automatic weapons for civillians, and we do not routinely today read of their use in mass shootings in this country. Why? As far as reloading goes, most folks I know that re load are responsible gun owners and enthusiast. Responsible meaning they keep their guns in a safe."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
First off, if I want to defend myself against humans then I'd like a gun designed for shooting humans. Sure, this follows. So should you not consider a fully automatic weapon with a high capacity mag? Why half step?
People buy SKS's because they're fucking cool, not because they were designed to shoot humans. There are lots of cool shit out there. If I thought hand grenades were cool would it follow I should be able to go to Walmart and buy one? If not why?"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Crashfrog writes: So they'd kill just as many people with different types of arms, chambered for different rounds. I don't understand your obsession with the caliber of round fired; is it your misapprehension that the Sandy Hook shooter would have killed less children if he had been forced to fire .30-06, instead? I do not have a obsession with the caliber. I was stating that one way to reduce the amount of people killin folks with bullets is to limit the amount of bullets. In other words make it harder to acquire ammunition for the firearms. It seems to me there are more than enough guns out there, but if legislation was passed to stop the manufacture of ammunition then the only way they could use a gun to kill would be as a bludgeon. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Crashfrog writes: But you can make your own bullets, is the problem. Just like how you can "make" your own drugs, with the predictable result that drugs, a lucrative product forced into the black market by blanket bans, became the leading cause of gun violence in the US. I get it, but I am telling you it is much easier on the shoulder to fire a .223 Remington in a rifle with a buffer spring than a .308 in a bolt action. I was awarded Expert marksmanship on a M16A1. It is a breeze to shoot accurately. I am a hunter, I shoot a .308 winchester. I also hunt with a shotgun. Both of these can be used for violent crimes. But I keep them locked up in a safe. I own a ruger superblackhawk Single action army for home protection and target shooting. All these fire arms can be used for violent crimes. But non of them are rapid fire. None of them are easy to dispel volumes of lead down range. In other words more likely then not , not a choice weapon to carry out a mass shooting. For that you'd want a high capacity, easy to load and shoot weapon with shit loads of magazines at your disposal. Kinda like a AR rifle and a double action semi auto pistol. Kinda like what these mass shooters all have in common it seems.If I owned such weapons and the government wanted to ban them for the sake of the common welfare I'd go along. I'd do it as a gesture of good faith that I did something to try and stop this continued slaughter of innocent people. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Tempe 12ft Chicken writes: Hello Tempe Chicken. Except that is not the case, since many gun enthusiasts know how to reload their own shell casings. In fact, there is even a wikihow page explaining exactly the steps to do so. All an individual would have to have to replenish ammunition is a small bag of shell casings. The rest can be put together pretty simply.I do not reload. But it there was a ban on ammo I would. It is a pain in the ass to do. It is much easier to slap some money on the counter and walk off with a brick of ammo. The folks that seem to be perpetuating these heinous crimes are neck bearded punks imo. If they are mad at mommy and want to kill the world then they will have to find a means to do it. And yes they will. But I'd rather Junior use a hammer or ax than find a blackgun and high capacity glock to do the job. That kind of fire power can give a person a feeling of invincibility. Hence a ban on the ammo and High capacity weapons could keep some idiot gun nut from keeping his toys within reach of a psycopath. Some people are just plain stupid. Most folks I know who reload are gun nuts. They want to customize the ammo they use. Some target shooters do it to save money since brass can be reused. But again you have to know what you are doing or you risk injury and blindness if one blows on you or gets lodged in the barrel, stove pipes or whatever. Now think about one of these numbnuts sitting in some room reloading for hours on end to get enough rounds to do the job. Chances are good they will screw up. Ok yes there will always be someone willing to do it for them for a price. But that extra step in the process may be a pertinent one.Bottom line is if the gun industry wants to protect law abiding gun toters and discourage psychopaths we need to make it harder for everyone. Only the truly passionate will be successful, rather than every idiot with a beef. Just my opinion Edited by 1.61803, : typo"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
The bottom line is that the odds of getting shot by a gun while just out and about on your daily routine is incredibly unlikely. Provided your routine isn't in Pleasant Grove Dallas TX.Then your odds go up exponentially Urban Dictionary: Pleasant Grove Edited by 1.61803, : link"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
So we have a pre-teen in New Mexico shooting people in a school with a sawed off and some idiot in Indiana shooting people in a grocery store and last month in Colorado a student shoots in school killing yet more folks.
WTF? Oh and I forgot about the retired police capt in Tampa shooting a and killing guy for throwing popcorn at him at the movies. Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Modulous writes: Yes. But that does not make me feel any better. Well the grocery store was saved by an armed citizen right? It is kind of like saying, well the fire men put the fire out after it burned your house down. The U.S. seems to have a major mental health problem coupled with a major gun availability. Not a good combination in any event."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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If a person decides they want to get a firearm and kill folks there is very little anyone can do to stop them.
There are so many firearms available today even if fully banned folks would still find a means to obtain them. The genie has been let out of the bottle, pandora has opened the box. The guns are here and here to stay. I am beginning to think we have this gun problem because it has become part of the American culture."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Or a armed octogenarian will kill someone for texting in a movie theater. oops that already happened!
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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fact checking asshole.
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Dont forget this little jewel.
DEA agent shoots self in leg during gun safety at school.
Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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