Yes, I am sure many of the guns in NY are not obtained in State. I was, however, comparing the crime rate from a state with loose gun control, with a state with strict gun control. You have to compare states of equal population density, since population density does make a difference. I will also point out that NY does not have a death penality, and Texas does. If the blathering about 'when there are more executions, there are less murders' is correct (I noticed no links to the original data is provided), when what we would expect to see a lower murder rate in state WITH a death penalty than without the death penalty. If we look at the states that have the death penality, they uniformly have higher than average murder rates.
They have about the same number of people in the state, and similar cities. Cut out the wide open places that no one lives, you will get the same density.
NY definitely has higher density , since is compacted into a smaller place... but Texas c;lumps together in a similar pattern outside of the wide open spaces.
You would expect a higher density to have a higher crime rate.. and when comparing Texas and NY, the opposite is true.
It would probably be more accurate to examine murder rates by cities... Let's do one of the highest density population in a gun control area.. NYC. and compare it to other cities that are in gun rights areas.
And, of course, the point goes RIGHT over your head. The point being that you are much more likely to die from someone in your own household murdering you than your life being saved from self defense. Did you know that women are 5 times more likely to get murdered by abusive husbands/boy friends if guns are in the house? Even if the woman got the gun for self defense.
And, have you looked at what the founders said??? Do you realize that the reasons and intent of the Founders when it comes to the second amendment is obsolete , because of they way both technology and society has changed over the last few centuries??
Since that is the case, what the founders said originally, and what their intentions are mean very little in our modern setting. It is was OUR social needs that mean much more than what the founders concepts were.
There is 150 years of reinterpreting what a militia is, and what 'arms' are, and what 'well regulated' means.
The Militia act of 1903 clarified what is meant by Militia.. because our needs changed. "Well regulated" i am sure has changed too.
That was then, this is now.. Do get out of the 18th century someday.
Well, Faith, you are wrong... yet again. There is a difference between not understanding the position, and not agreeing with it. There is a difference between seeing facts, and seeing someone deny the facts.
One thing that is not mentioned is that the last couple of years, the homicide rate in Chicago has been going down drastically. Yes, a lot of gun violence so far this month.. but when you compare it with other cities the same size, it isn't THAT much higher.
Let's see, in Chicago, there were 441 killed by gun violence in 2012 IN 2013, it was down to 371.