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Message 649 of 5179 (685151)
12-20-2012 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 546 by kofh2u
12-19-2012 7:23 AM


Re: Removal of Constitutional rights
Care to show studies for that?

I found one refuting it.

http://law.jrank.org/...me-Single-parent-families-crime.html


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Message 751 of 5179 (685440)
12-22-2012 7:21 PM
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12-20-2012 7:59 PM


Re: It didn't help
Yes, that's working really good in Syria right now.

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Message 770 of 5179 (685570)
12-23-2012 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 768 by crashfrog
12-23-2012 6:04 PM


Let's do some comparison between a state that is way out pro gun, and very little gun control verses a state of equivalent size that has fairly stringent gun control...

Let's compare Texas and NY. People from Texas have, on a number of occations, bragged to me how low their crime rate is.

So, let's look at the figures for 2010

TExas.. Murder rate per 100K 5.0 Rape per 100K 30.5 Robbery per 100K 130.. Aggravated Assault 284.

New York Murder rate per 100K 4.5 Rape per 100K 14.3 Robbery per 100K 148 Aggravated Assault 226.

Gosh, those extra .5 murders, 15 rapes, and 58 aggravated assaults sure are worth those extra 18 robberies.

The violent crime total is 450 for Texas (per 100K), and 392 for NY .. (including NYC).

Dang, that gun control works so good.

http://www.infoplease.com/...tatistics/crime-rate-state.html

Edited by ramoss, : To show source


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Message 772 of 5179 (685581)
12-23-2012 8:07 PM
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12-23-2012 7:14 PM


Yes, I am sure many of the guns in NY are not obtained in State. I was, however, comparing the crime rate from a state with loose gun control, with a state with strict gun control. You have to compare states of equal population density, since population density does make a difference. I will also point out that NY does not have a death penality, and Texas does. If the blathering about 'when there are more executions, there are less murders' is correct (I noticed no links to the original data is provided), when what we would expect to see a lower murder rate in state WITH a death penalty than without the death penalty. If we look at the states that have the death penality, they uniformly have higher than average murder rates.

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Message 775 of 5179 (685636)
12-24-2012 12:34 PM
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12-24-2012 11:25 AM


They have about the same number of people in the state, and similar cities. Cut out the wide open places that no one lives, you will get the same density.

NY definitely has higher density , since is compacted into a smaller place... but Texas c;lumps together in a similar pattern outside of the wide open spaces.

You would expect a higher density to have a higher crime rate.. and when comparing Texas and NY, the opposite is true.

It would probably be more accurate to examine murder rates by cities... Let's do one of the highest density population in a gun control area.. NYC. and compare it to other
cities that are in gun rights areas.

From http://www.census.gov/...ndia/statab/2012/tables/12s0309.pdf

(per 100K )
NYC Murder 5.6 Rape 9.9 Robbery 221 Assault 315
Dallas Murder 12.9 Rape 37.5 Robbery 446 Assault 315
Austin Murder 2.9 Rape 34.5 Robbery 184 Assault 302 (Been to austin, wonderful city)

Huston Murder 12.6 Rape 36.2 Robbery 500 Assault 577

NYC has the most stringent gun control in the state.. and while Ausin has less murder , the rape in the other cities are very much higher.

Therefore, it's not 'gun control' or lack there of that causes it. I suspect it is police presence.

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Message 1889 of 5179 (691889)
02-26-2013 8:06 AM
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02-26-2013 7:49 AM


Re: The Un-American Mind
Yet, having guns in the house, while DO giving the opportunity for self defense, also gives the opportunity for 'crimes of passion' , where cooler heads would prevail if that tool was not available.

A woman that has a gun in the household for self defense is much much more likely to be killed a domestic violence situation than households that do not have guns.

And there is this case

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...-gun-carrying_n_315291.html


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Message 1903 of 5179 (692019)
02-27-2013 11:43 AM
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02-26-2013 8:16 AM


Re: The Un-American Mind
And, of course, the point goes RIGHT over your head. The point being that you are much more likely to die from someone in your own household murdering you than your life being saved from self defense. Did you know that women are 5 times more likely to get murdered by abusive husbands/boy friends if guns are in the house? Even if the woman got the gun for self defense.

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Message 1906 of 5179 (692037)
02-27-2013 1:04 PM
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02-27-2013 12:10 PM


Re: The Un-American Mind
I am sure you do. I consider that uber paranoid, feeding into the right wing propganda and the gun companies pockets.

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Message 2063 of 5179 (693326)
03-14-2013 9:08 AM
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03-14-2013 1:08 AM


And, have you looked at what the founders said??? Do you realize that the reasons and intent of the Founders when it comes to the second amendment is obsolete , because of they way both technology and society has changed over the last few centuries??

Since that is the case, what the founders said originally, and what their intentions are mean very little in our modern setting. It is was OUR social needs that mean much more than what the founders concepts were.

There is 150 years of reinterpreting what a militia is, and what 'arms' are, and what 'well regulated' means.

The Militia act of 1903 clarified what is meant by Militia.. because our needs changed. "Well regulated" i am sure has changed too.

That was then, this is now.. Do get out of the 18th century someday.


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Message 2183 of 5179 (694126)
03-22-2013 10:11 AM
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03-21-2013 8:55 AM


Re: I think I get your point...
You know your charts mean absoultely nothing, since you are not attributiing the source of the data.

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Message 2234 of 5179 (716650)
01-19-2014 10:38 PM
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01-19-2014 8:37 PM


Re: hateful abuse.
Well, Faith, you are wrong... yet again. There is a difference between not understanding the position, and not agreeing with it. There is a difference between seeing facts, and seeing someone deny the facts.

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Message 2243 of 5179 (716715)
01-20-2014 3:25 PM
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01-20-2014 1:32 PM


Re: And yet more shootings......
One thing that is not mentioned is that the last couple of years, the homicide rate in Chicago has been going down drastically. Yes, a lot of gun violence so far this month.. but when you compare it with other cities the same size, it isn't THAT much higher.

Let's see, in Chicago, there were 441 killed by gun violence in 2012
IN 2013, it was down to 371.


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Message 2277 of 5179 (717298)
01-26-2014 8:35 AM
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01-24-2014 3:56 PM


Re: wifebeating lunatics
I have to say that it seems that people have bought the myth that just because they want AR-47's and unlimited ammo restricted 'They' are also coming for your dear hunting rifle.

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Message 2281 of 5179 (717323)
01-26-2014 11:32 AM
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01-26-2014 9:31 AM


Re: wifebeating lunatics
I don't think you fully understand the relationship of the redneck with their hunting rifles. I am told is it similar to the relationship that some shepards have with their sheep.

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Message 2330 of 5179 (717603)
01-29-2014 2:23 PM
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01-29-2014 9:57 AM


Re: No one is attacking you
In legalize, the term homicide is means the deliberate taking of anothers life.. .i.e. murder.

There are accidents.. and they would go under the category of 'involuntary manslaughter'


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