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Message 88 of 5179 (684077)
12-15-2012 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Tangle
12-15-2012 12:11 PM


Tangle writes:

... what we didn't do was say that because some thugs carry knives then everyone should. That would be preposterous wouldn't it?

quote:
Never go anywhere without a knife.
-- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

I carry two.

(I've never even met anybody who owns a gun "for protection".)


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Message 2239 of 5179 (716695)
01-20-2014 11:34 AM
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01-19-2014 8:37 PM


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No such thing as EVER understanding the position of a creationist on this ugly excuse for a forum.


It isn't that we don't understand the positions you take. It's more like we don't understand why anybody would take such idiotic positions - or where they get the chutzpah to "argue" them.

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Message 2271 of 5179 (717103)
01-24-2014 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 2267 by New Cat's Eye
01-22-2014 4:04 PM


Re: wifebeating lunatics
Catholic Scientist writes:

If you have a right for something, then you should get it by default.


What you're saying, basically, is that once a right is bestowed and/or recognized, it should be difficult to remove it.

The problem is that the "right" to own guns never should have been declared. Now that it has been, it's as hard to get rid of as the right to life, liberty and the pursuit od happiness. It's a case of you-can't-get-there-from-here. You can't unbreak the eggs.

The best you can do is make an omelet.


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Message 2288 of 5179 (717346)
01-26-2014 1:14 PM
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01-26-2014 12:00 PM


Re: wifebeating lunatics
Catholic Scientist writes:

For example, in addition to being kept from felons, the FOID card is kept from anyone who has been incarcerated in a mental institution.


So let's make it a Catch-22 situation: If you want a gun you're crazy and you can't have one. If you don't want a gun you're sane and you can have all you want.

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Message 2349 of 5179 (719806)
02-18-2014 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 2336 by Coyote
02-18-2014 1:00 AM


Re: Some more data
Coyote writes:

Criminologist: 'More Youngsters Killed in Bicycle Accidents' Than with Guns


The difference being that bicycles serve a useful purpose.

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Message 2390 of 5179 (719915)
02-19-2014 10:42 AM
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02-18-2014 1:55 PM


Re: Some more data
Catholic Scientist writes:

ringo writes:

The difference being that bicycles serve a useful purpose.


Is that you admitting that their ultimate goal is not saving kids lives in schools?

No, that's me saying that bicycles are useful and guns are not - like cars are useful and crack cocaine is not.

We make allowances for the dangers of things that serve a useful purpose. For things that have no useful purpose, we don't have to.


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Message 2393 of 5179 (719919)
02-19-2014 10:50 AM
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02-19-2014 10:45 AM


Re: Some more data
Catholic Scientist writes:

So you do think their ultimate goal is saving kids lives in schools?


I should think that having live children instead of dead children is a significant goal for anybody.

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Message 2416 of 5179 (720110)
02-20-2014 11:19 AM
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02-19-2014 11:53 AM


Re: Some more data
Phat writes:

Disarming the citizens would make it easier for a coup to take place, right?


Based on the myth that it was an armed populace that won the American Revolution?

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Message 2430 of 5179 (725674)
04-30-2014 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 2428 by Dr Adequate
04-29-2014 8:29 PM


Re: Responsible Gun Owner News
quote:
... the Armatix smart pistol....

Instead of being smart enough to recognize the shooter, I wish it was smart enough to recognize the shootee.

(Identification: toddler. Nope, ain't gonna shoot that.)


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Message 2438 of 5179 (725754)
05-01-2014 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 2432 by Jon
04-30-2014 10:33 PM


Re: Responsible Gun Owner News
Jon writes:

Call them 'gun nutters' if you'd like....


I would like that very much, thank you.

What kind of nut wraps his guns in the Constitution and then denies me the right to the gun that I want? - one that my child can't use to shoot his classmates and my wife can't use to shoot me and my aging mother doesn't confuse with a cigarette lighter.

And what kind of nut says his position is valid?


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Message 2462 of 5179 (729423)
06-11-2014 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 2458 by New Cat's Eye
06-11-2014 12:25 PM


Re: Reasons for Shooting :/
Catholic Scientist writes:

Gun safety is both easy and effective if you follow the rules.


I don't think there's any way to safely shoot at people in a crowded city.

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Message 2466 of 5179 (729429)
06-11-2014 2:03 PM
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06-11-2014 1:58 PM


Re: Reasons for Shooting :/
Catholic Scientist writes:

ringo writes:

I don't think there's any way to safely shoot at people in a crowded city.


Yeah, one of the rules is that you don't do that.

So if you lve in a crowded city where you might "need" a gun to defend youself, you can't.

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Message 2468 of 5179 (729435)
06-11-2014 2:16 PM
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06-11-2014 2:07 PM


Re: Reasons for Shooting :/
Catholic Scientist writes:

Yup, what kind of idiot wants to live in a crowded city?


The same kind of idiot who wants a gun to defend himself, apparently.

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Message 2472 of 5179 (729443)
06-11-2014 2:57 PM
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06-11-2014 2:41 PM


Re: Reasons for Shooting :/
Catholic Scientist writes:

I think you'll find that most of the honest law-abiding people that live in crowded cities are for more strict gun control laws.


And yet it seems like most of the gun-related deaths are in the cities. Somebody must have forgotten their safety training.

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Message 2474 of 5179 (729446)
06-11-2014 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 2473 by New Cat's Eye
06-11-2014 3:02 PM


Re: Reasons for Shooting :/
Catholic Scientist writes:

Yeah, they're called "criminals".


Um... somebody earlier was pointing out all the wonderful usage of guns against criminals. Isn't blazing away at criminals in cities dangerous?

Edited by ringo, : No reason given.


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