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Larni
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Message 65 of 5179 (684032)
12-15-2012 4:27 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by jar
12-14-2012 4:47 PM


Re: guns versus mentality
I happen to own quite a few guns, yet I have not used them in a violent manner.
I am always armed, yet I have never hard to use a gun in a violent manner.
Then you don't need to be armed.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
Member (Idle past 91 days)
Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 137 of 5179 (684167)
12-16-2012 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by crashfrog
12-15-2012 10:13 AM


The fact that it happened in Connecticut indicates, to me, that this is an incredibly rare event that's going to happen in some statistically-uneliminateable small number of cases, regardless of our legal gun control regime.
This is what I don't understand.
If guns were unavailable at the kid's house (my understanding is that the gun was own by the parent) the killings would not have occurred.
How is that hard to grasp? (Not saying it is hard for you to grasp, in a rhetorical way).

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 170 of 5179 (684213)
12-16-2012 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by crashfrog
12-16-2012 8:14 AM


You say that if guns were illegal he might not have had access to them.
Isn't that a good thing? Isn't it better for it to might not happen than definitely happen? Surely any chance of children not being killed is worth attempting.
If fewer people have guns the chance of shootings will drop. I really don't get why civilians want to own guns.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
Member (Idle past 91 days)
Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


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Message 704 of 5179 (685293)
12-21-2012 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 671 by Panda
12-21-2012 5:58 AM


Re: Guns are worse than cars
Interesting stats.
How long do people take to pass a driving test against obtaining a fire arm, I wonder.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Message 788 of 5179 (685684)
12-25-2012 6:08 AM
Reply to: Message 786 by Faith
12-25-2012 4:04 AM


Re: More armed people is the solution; and Israel
Sigh.
Many of these shooters end up popping themselves so the threat of being killed is not a deterrent.
You are reasoning like someone not resigned to being killed or killing themselves and so you get it wrong.
Put yourself in the shoes of a deranged killer iintent on going out in a blaze of glory and you will see what I mean.
Edited by Larni, : Spellink

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 793 of 5179 (685692)
12-25-2012 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 789 by Faith
12-25-2012 6:12 AM


Re: More armed people is the solution; and Israel
They are not afraid of being shot.
They know that they have maybe 10 minutes after they have killed the first few people (high priority targets like guards or teachers).
They are not afraid. If they were they would not do it.
How does that to make sense?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
Member (Idle past 91 days)
Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 795 of 5179 (685697)
12-25-2012 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 794 by kofh2u
12-25-2012 12:51 PM


Re: ...one idiot to another....
You are such a racist.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
Member (Idle past 91 days)
Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


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Message 953 of 5179 (686117)
12-29-2012 7:45 AM
Reply to: Message 952 by Tangle
12-29-2012 6:10 AM


Re: Statistical Blindness
Personally, it seems to me that it's the psychological effect of normalising gun ownership and the repeated headlining of massacres does more damage than the guns themselves
I agree.
By far the best way to get people to act in a specific way is use social pressure. If you want people to not take drugs (for example) show young people other young people not taking drugs.
American's seem inculcated into the norm of owning or carrying guns. Over here in the UK if I knew someone was carrying a gun I would inform the police.
But not because it was against the law but because carrying a gun is aberrant behaviour (in the UK). You would have to be mentally disturbed to carry one on the street.
It's not socially acceptable here.
In the States the reverse seems to be true. It's actually socially encouraged. That's madness.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
Member (Idle past 91 days)
Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 1010 of 5179 (686249)
12-30-2012 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 978 by crashfrog
12-29-2012 2:41 PM


Re: Statistical Blindness
Funnily enough I was talking to my wife about UK level of CCTV and I quite suprised myself when I realised that I feel less safe when I notice there are no cameras about.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
Member (Idle past 91 days)
Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 1033 of 5179 (686397)
12-31-2012 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1029 by crashfrog
12-31-2012 3:51 PM


Re: Statistical Blindness
Then you agree that your emotional response (like mine) has no bearing on the reality of the situation.
That is to say, wrong.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 2579 of 5179 (732210)
07-04-2014 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 2480 by New Cat's Eye
06-12-2014 11:33 AM


Re: Reasons for Shooting :/
I get that since a gun makes it really convenient, that some people are going to be persuaded by that convenience, but I don't care to stop people who don't want to live anymore. You should have a right to die if you want to.
The problem with this is that many suiciders do so when suffering from Depression or some other mental disorder (that can be treated) so that they can see that a bullet in the brain is not the only way out.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


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Message 3192 of 5179 (745789)
12-27-2014 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 3187 by Faith
12-27-2014 11:03 AM


Re: your statistics are bogus in every possible way
And the preaching by the Black Robe regiment was considered by the Brits to be THE reason we won the war against them.
Normally we just assume it was the French who won you that one.
Boy, us Brits hate the French for losing us one of our Colonies

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Joined: 09-16-2005


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Message 3656 of 5179 (760456)
06-22-2015 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 3610 by marc9000
06-21-2015 1:34 PM


Re: 9 dead in SC
then do you have a greater trust of government than you do free citizens?
This I really don't get about Americans: what exactly are you worried your government is going to do?
Internment camps for not being employed by the government? Serilization for anyone for not being employed by the government? I just don't get it.
What has or is the government going to do if you don't own a pistol?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

This message is a reply to:
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Larni
Member (Idle past 91 days)
Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 3690 of 5179 (760596)
06-23-2015 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 3688 by vimesey
06-23-2015 11:47 AM


Re: 9 dead in SC
but those guns did nothing to prevent the occupation of the Country by the Germans
You are forgetting that gun nuts are all steely-eyed, crack shots with nerves of steel and the reflexes of a cat.
More than a match for a compaany of battle tested professional soldiers with armour and air support.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

This message is a reply to:
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Larni
Member (Idle past 91 days)
Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 3738 of 5179 (760842)
06-26-2015 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 3718 by Faith
06-24-2015 2:34 PM


Re: Second Amendment
"Overthrowing" the government isn't so much the concern as self-defense, against whatever form of tyranny presents itself.
What tyranny areyou refering to?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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