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Asgara
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Message 2455 of 5179 (729402)
06-11-2014 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 2452 by New Cat's Eye
06-11-2014 10:03 AM


Reasons for Shooting :/

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Message 2457 of 5179 (729411)
06-11-2014 12:18 PM
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06-11-2014 12:08 PM


Re: Reasons for Shooting :/
Tell me you didn't really mean to use the word admonish.
quote:
I'm very displeased with you son. If you continue to shoot people while cleaning your gun I'll have to take it from you.
quote:
You shouldn't have left your loaded gun where your little sister could find it. You're grounded for a week. If your little brother dies from the wound you'll be grounded for a month.

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Asgara
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Message 2545 of 5179 (730554)
06-28-2014 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2543 by marc9000
06-28-2014 9:08 PM


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Now suppose in 2014, gun control advocates across the U.S. get most, if not all, of the gun control legislation passed that they desire. Now almost no one, (except police and other government authorities) can legally posses a firearm.
How come so many continue to use this strawman? Advocates of more responsible gun ownership are NOT trying to take peoples' guns away. The only way that your statement above could ever be true would be if you are proposing that almost every gun owner currently is a convicted felon, domestic abuser or mentally ill. Is that what you are saying?
As far as irresponsible police officers go, they should be treated like anyone who uses unjustified lethal force.

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Asgara
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Message 2872 of 5179 (744627)
12-13-2014 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 2871 by xongsmith
12-13-2014 3:11 PM


Re: Balance Shifts about Gun Control
These brutish meteorites are seconds from smashing you and all you love into xongpaste.

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Asgara
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Message 3059 of 5179 (745302)
12-21-2014 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 3056 by Faith
12-21-2014 4:50 PM


Re: The relationship is NOT between guns and murders but PEOPLE and murders
Hello Faith, I hope you don't mind my butting into this conversation.
My question to you would be how do we distinguish between the good guy and the bad guy? How do we distinguish between the always good guy or the good guy that goes crazy and shoots his family? How about the bad guy that decides for whatever reason to give up his evil ways and uses his gun to protect a group from another bad guy with a gun? How about the law enforcement officer who, even though he knows his stepson is depressed and possibly suicidal, forgets to lock up his service revolver.
How do we tell Johnny the 1st grader how to distinguish between a good guy or a bad guy that is walking into his school with a gun? Do we tell him to go about his business until he gets shot and can now tell that the guy is bad?
It's the middle of the night and our car is broke down. Our cell phone is dead. How do we distinguish between the home of a good guy who will offer assistance and the home of the former good guy who decides you're a danger and shoots without asking questions?
How do we figure out that the patient we're seeing for depression might be a danger to himself or others if some organization dedicated to furthering the sales of the gun industry lobbies for law prohibiting us from discussing with our patients the possible ways they may have of doing harm?
How do we really know how gun ownership correlates with gun crime if the above-mentioned organization also lobbies to stop any studies into the question?
I know a lot of good guys with guns, I'm related to many. They go about their daily lives without feeling the need to carry a gun into the local Quickie Mart. They don't publically wish vile and disgusting things to happen to women who are worried enough to meet with a few other women in a local coffee house to discuss gun violence. They have absolutely no problem with gun control efforts because they agree that background checks, and safety training, and insurance, and safety measures are a part of being a responsible gun owner and in no way tramples on their right to own their guns.

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Asgara
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Message 3064 of 5179 (745310)
12-21-2014 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 3063 by Faith
12-21-2014 6:33 PM


How to tell the difference between the good guys with guns and the bad guys with guns
Faith, just what do you think gun control advocates are asking for? Everyone that I know of is asking for common sense things; many like we might use for motor vehicles.
  • national standardization of background checks
  • closing of loopholes in gun sale laws
  • mandatory safety training with renewals
  • proof of insurance
  • proof of safe storage measures
  • increased ability to vet the mentally ill
Which of these hinder gun ownership for the 'good guy with a gun?'
You don't want to be accused of supporting anything that furthers 'sales' yet you bring up the NRA or it's members in your posts.... The NRA is the organization I was talking about.
Several of the scenarios I listed were off the top of my head; situations where it would be nice to know who the good guys are. Several were nationally publicized incidents.
A loaded pistol, a tragedy, and a N.H. chief charged - The Boston Globe
Renisha McBride, Detroit woman, shot to death while seeking help after a car accident, family says - CBS News
This gentleman, David Waldman has been trying to keep a running tally of irresponsible gun ownership on a monthly basis. He is up to October with his 79th monthly tally.
100 More GunFAILs, which brings us to GunFAIL LXXIX, but we're still not caught up.

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Asgara
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Message 3621 of 5179 (760414)
06-21-2015 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 3609 by Coragyps
06-21-2015 1:27 PM


Re: 9 dead in SC
I have read that Dylann Roof had a pending felony charge and would not have been able to purchase a gun legally. In SC no background checks are necessary for private gun transactions.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...ed-dylann-roof-to-get-a-gun

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Asgara
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Message 4135 of 5179 (769425)
09-20-2015 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 4134 by Tanypteryx
09-20-2015 6:49 PM


Re: Knowing about things.
Looks to me like a fancy pencil case

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Asgara
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Message 4938 of 5179 (785873)
06-12-2016 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 4937 by Percy
06-12-2016 5:17 PM


Re: Worst Mass Shooting in U.S. History
From one of my favorite bloggers..
The Seven Stages of Gun Violence by Jim Wright

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