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Message 5 of 5179 (683935)
12-14-2012 4:19 PM


When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn.........

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Message 13 of 5179 (683945)
12-14-2012 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Coragyps
12-14-2012 4:49 PM


The phrase "in denial" springs to mind.

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Message 17 of 5179 (683949)
12-14-2012 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by crashfrog
12-14-2012 4:52 PM


Re: guns versus mentality
Crashfrog writes:

I think we'd all love to do something to prevent the next tragedy. But you have to prove that what you want to do is something that would prevent the next tragedy without itself being a tragedy.

I'd really like to think that you don't belive that, but I know you do and I know you'll say it in 6 months time when there's another one. And the one after that.

And you can't and won't ever get that USA has a gun fetish and that trying to do something obvious about that can only help - you know, like making guns just a tad harder to get.

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Message 27 of 5179 (683959)
12-14-2012 5:19 PM
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12-14-2012 5:07 PM


Re: guns versus mentality
Like I said, you won't ever get it.

All I can say is that as a visitor to the US, seeing guns on sale in Walmart felt like I was visiting a truly schizophrenic and dangerous country.

(and this was compounded on a later visit, when a road road incident was heightened by the fact that the rager was in a pickup with 2 rifles strapped to the rear of the cab. I can't explain to you how insane that felt.)


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Message 29 of 5179 (683961)
12-14-2012 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by crashfrog
12-14-2012 5:17 PM


Re: guns versus mentality
Crashfrog writes:

No, the problem is 20 dead children.
Which 20? The 20 that died in this attack on a school? Or the 20 who died today in car accidents?

Deflection.


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Message 36 of 5179 (683973)
12-14-2012 6:06 PM
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12-14-2012 5:36 PM


Re: guns versus mentality
Crashfrog writes:


Because you're irrationally afraid of guns.

I'm rationally afraid of irrational idiots with ready access to guns. Weird isn't it? Perhaps I should see someone about it.

The rest of the world looks at you and can't understand your lack of obvious action - I could see it in Obama's eyes - he knows that he can't and won't do anything and that he's got another 4 years where there will be another two, 3 or 4 of these and he won't do anything because he can't.

And the gun lobby maniacs will carry on their fantasy arguments. People's beliefs are truly weird.


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Message 59 of 5179 (684023)
12-15-2012 2:48 AM
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12-14-2012 6:56 PM


Re: guns versus mentality
Crashfrog writes:

I don't understand why you can't understand it, when it's been explained to you - we have a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, and you don't. You don't have that.

That's why you can enact gun control and we can't. We have a law that says we can't. I don't know how to make it any simpler than that.

And is this Constitutional Right made by a God which won't allow change or interpretation?


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Message 62 of 5179 (684027)
12-15-2012 3:44 AM


It seems that the guns he used to kill his mother, the children and teachers, belonged to his mother. So as far this particular tragedy is concerned, it's safe to say that her gun ownership did not help her defend herself or anybody else. In fact we can demonstrate the opposite.

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Message 66 of 5179 (684033)
12-15-2012 4:32 AM
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Faith writes:

True, but if others involved with the school, parents or teachers or whatever, were known to be armed and ready to defend the place, it is possible this guy wouldn't have risked it at all, but if he did he might have been stopped before he was able to kill anybody

This is a criminally insane idea. Do you actually think that arming your entire society will reduce deaths by guns, I mean really? How is it that the rest of the civilised world manages without this need for gun ownership and has a lower incident of shootings?

The maniac knows that he is going out to kill people, has planned it, is usually armed to the teeth and quite prepared kill. Your armed teachers and passers by have no idea it's going to happen, have limited capability to stop it even if armed and are likely to cause even more damage in the process of trying.

And how on earth does a Christian think this way? It's the exact opposite of WWJD.


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Message 67 of 5179 (684034)
12-15-2012 4:37 AM


Faith writes:

True, but if others involved with the school, parents or teachers or whatever, were known to be armed and ready to defend the place, it is possible this guy wouldn't have risked it at all, but if he did he might have been stopped before he was able to kill anybody.

I had to read this twice to be sure I understood what you were saying.

You're talking about the armed defense of childrens' schools. Think about what that says about your society.


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Message 70 of 5179 (684037)
12-15-2012 5:03 AM
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12-15-2012 4:46 AM


Faith, the rest of the civilised world operates to different codes and it works better. You way can only make it worse.

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Message 73 of 5179 (684040)
12-15-2012 6:35 AM
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12-15-2012 5:05 AM


Faith writes:

I hope you understand that you are calling all those venerable men of our founding generation I quoted earlier on this subject "criminally insane." You might benefit from rereading those quotes if you read them at all, and that article I also posted there.

What you're doing Faith, is finding yet another book to interpret the way you need to and put your full trust in whilst ignoring reality.

First it's "my interpretation of the bible is true and if you find anything that contradicts it, then it's wrong", now "it's the Founding Fathers were right and if anything contradicts them, it's wrong"

Both books were written by human beings, both are open to misinterpretation and both need to be taken with a bloody great pinch of salt when they are obviously wrong.


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Message 87 of 5179 (684072)
12-15-2012 12:11 PM


We had/have a problem with knife crime. We toughened the law on carrying knives and on using them so that to anyone using them to just threaten will get 6 months minimum - probably much more.

I have my doubts about whether it deterrs much, but what we didn't do was say that because some thugs carry knives then everyone should. That would be preposterous wouldn't it?


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Message 89 of 5179 (684078)
12-15-2012 1:27 PM
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12-15-2012 1:18 PM


Best leave it/them at home if you come here:

Possession of Blades/Points
Section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 prohibits having with you, in a public place of any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed, (including a folding pocket knife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 7.62cm/3 inches) (Archbold 24-125).

Section 139A of the 1988 Act extends the geographical scope of both of the above offences to school premises.


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Message 101 of 5179 (684098)
12-15-2012 5:21 PM
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12-15-2012 3:18 PM


CatholicScientist writes:

How many times have you shot guns

I shot 202 rifle for my university. I was the go-to guy for air rifle at the fair. Had my first BB gun at 13, hid it under my bed until my mum found it.

What point are you trying to make?


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