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Dunblane massacre - Wikipedia

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The Dunblane school massacre occurred at Dunblane Primary School in the Scottish town of Dunblane on 13 March 1996. The gunman, 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton (b. 10 May 1952), entered the school armed with four handguns, shooting and killing sixteen children and one adult before committing suicide. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre and the 2010 Cumbria shootings, it remains one of the deadliest criminal acts involving firearms in the history of the United Kingdom.

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Public debate subsequent to these events centred on gun control laws, including public petitions calling for a ban on private ownership of handguns and an official enquiry, the Cullen Report. In response to this debate, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 and the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 were enacted, which effectively made private ownership of handguns illegal in the United Kingdom.

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The Hungerford massacre occurred in Hungerford, Berkshire, England, on 19 August 1987. The gunman, 27-year-old Michael Robert Ryan (b. 18 May 1960), armed with two semi-automatic rifles and a handgun, shot and killed sixteen people including his mother, and wounded fifteen others, then fatally shot himself. A report on this incident was commissioned by the Home Secretary, Douglas Hurd, from the Chief Constable of Thames Valley Police, Colin Smith. It remains, along with the 1996 Dunblane massacre and the 2010 Cumbria shootings, one of the worst criminal atrocities involving firearms in British history.

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The Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988[2] was passed in the wake of the massacre, which banned the ownership of semi-automatic centre-fire rifles and restricted the use of shotguns with a capacity of more than three cartridges (in magazine plus the breech). Ryan's collection of weapons had been legally licensed, according to the Hungerford Report.

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The Cumbria shootings was a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre and the 1996 Dunblane massacre, it is one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in British history.
Bird had been a licensed firearms holder and the incident sparked debate about further gun control in the United Kingdom; the previous Dunblane and Hungerford shootings had led to increased firearms controls.[16]

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Looks to me like those gun control laws actually reduced the incidence of school and other shootings in England -- 3 in 25 years -- to well below the number seen in the US.That's what the evidence shows.Or is it because England is more civilized than the US?Enjoy.

Ah, so then it is because the English are much more civilized than Americans?Enjoy

One can also discuss how effective guns and arms were for the French in keeping the German army at bay.Many Americans seem to be under the impression that the French just waved a white flag at the start and then sat around and drank wine or something.Enjoy

This is a misleading statistic: how many households have more than one gun? There are people with large collections of gun, so many that there aren't enough hands to hold them. See? you fell for the fallacy you posted.Gun Ownership Statistics & Demographics - Statistic Brain

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Year	Percent Ownership
2011	36 %
2010	39 %
2009	40%
2007	42%
2005	40 %
2004	38 %
2003	43 %
2002	34 %
2000	32 %

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→ 89/36 = ~2.5 guns per household, average. Distribution would be a skewed curve ... Canada came from the same wild frontier colonial background as the US but they do not have the same levels of gun worship, nor do they have the same degree of problems with violence and murders.It is possible to find rational controls to reduce gun deaths. There are rational people in the states. This question was asked of Faith because she claimed Gandhi would not have survived in Nazi Germany and that he did in India because England was more civilized.I'm just suggesting that "more civilized" mean more willing to impose controls.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : ave

Thanks I lived there for 18 years and found them to be generally a bit more civilized Certainly when it came to guns.Enjoy

BREAKING NEWS: Three Wounded in Texas School Shooting

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The following information comes from reports from CBS and CNN.

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(Updated at 3:06 p.m. ET)

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Someone — a fourth person — suffered a heart attack, according to a federal law enforcement source who is receiving reports from the scene, CNN's Carol Cratty reports.

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So, recapping what we've been told:

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— Three people, including a gunman, were wounded in a shooting between two people on the North Harris campus of Lone Star College in Houston, school spokesman Jed Young said.
— The second gunman is on the loose but not believed to be on campus, Young said.
— A fourth person suffered a heart attack, according to the federal law enforcement source.
— The shooting happened at a campus library, the federal law enforcement source says.
— No deaths have been reported.

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One death by heart attack. But your first reaction was Why did the paranoid assumption of a conspiracy come to you first? I'm waiting to see what kind of weapon/s were used and to see if the purported second gun-person is found and what kind of weapons they had.There is also no account yet for a purpose for this incident, and presumably the suspect will be able to clarify this.2 in custody, 1 wounded in shooting at Texas college

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At least three people, including one suspected shooter, were shot at Lone Star College on its Houston-area campus in Texas on Tuesday, school and police officials say.

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According to Jed Young, a spokesman for the school, the shooting began with an altercation "involving two individuals" shortly before 12:30 p.m. local time. Two people were shot in the crossfire, the spokesman said. The extent of their injuries was not immediately known. According to Houston's ABC affiliate, both of the victimsone student and one employeehave multiple gunshot wounds and are in serious condition. Both victims were conscious when they arrived at the hospital.

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One of the suspected shooters was shot and taken into custody, while a second shooter fled the campus, the spokesman said. According to a Harris County police official, the altercation occurred at the campus library. Five law enforcement agencies responded to the shooting and are searching a wooded area near the school for the second suspect, who they say could be armed.

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According to CNN, a fourth victim suffered a heart attack during the incident.

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It's unclear if the suspected shooters were students at the school. Initial reports suggested the shooting may have escalated after a heated argument between them.

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The police, added the spokesman, said that the danger on campus had been "mitigated."

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So it looks like it was not a school shooting so much as a gun fight between two gun users on a school campus. A gunfight that seriously injured two bystanders and caused, apparently, one deadly heart attack.Good old cowboy shootout mentality? (we are talking Texas, right?)Enjoy

Houston school shooting: Lone Star College goes into lockdown amid reports of gunman - nj.com

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Melinda Muse, spokeswoman for the Harris County Health System, said two people were taken to Harris Health Ben Taub Hospital Emergency Center following the shooting.

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Cody Harris, 20, he said he was in a classroom with about six or seven other students waiting for a psychology class to start when he heard eight shots. He and other students looked at each other, said "I guess we should get out of here," and fled.

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May be just one hand gun. May be two. Don't know yet.Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : No reason given.

When the cure for a disease kills more people than the disease, should you take the cure?Enjoy.

the topic is gun controls and is in response to the school massacreEnjoy

really?(1) what are those 52 states?(2) 52/2 = 26(3) 50/2 = 25EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : No reason given.Edited by RAZD, : No reason given.

Can you replace the second Canada graph with one for England?

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And ICANT has yet to show why all home invaders need to be shot dead.And he doesn't cite instances where no guns were used and nobody was killed.And he doesn't cite instances where nobody was home.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : ..Edited by RAZD, : ...

And where did the guns that were bartered come from?Enjoy