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kofh2u
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Message 555 of 5179 (684914)
12-19-2012 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 554 by New Cat's Eye
12-19-2012 10:29 AM


Re: Unattributed Copypasta
LOL
Lame...
I would REALLY be suggesting that these facts were uncovered by me, and THEN, expect the audience here to accept my work as meaningful and acceptable .
What a Joke.
I DOUBT that even now you'll accept the TRUTH, once this ridiculous response is discarded.

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kofh2u
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Message 558 of 5179 (684928)
12-19-2012 11:30 AM
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12-19-2012 10:51 AM


Re: Unattributed Copypasta
I was just trying to say to put that shit in quotes and supply the website you copied it from.
We're here to discuss with other people, not to throw cut-n-pastes around.
And I was just saying that these facts and Stats dont need a rreference unless someone questions their validity.
But a simple google on the subject of Single Mothers will bring tons of information like this to you attention.
i.e.; its sorta common knowledge now.

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kofh2u
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Message 579 of 5179 (684982)
12-19-2012 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 571 by Percy
12-19-2012 5:59 PM


Crime and a reduction of 16-24 year old kids
But single motherhood's and welfare's impact on crime is clearly not part of the topic.
You seem very authoritative in making such a claim when the facts and stats oppose you so overwhelmingly.
The experts are still debating the extent of the impact abortion has had along with other efforts to reduce violent crime in big cities, like NYC:
"Social scientists and criminologists have endlessly debated the extent to which effective policing was truly responsible for the drop in crime, compared with other factors like the higher incarceration rate, improved economic conditions, the lessening of the crack cocaine epidemic, a relative reduction in the numbers of 16- to 24-year-olds (through abortion), and even the abortion rate.
Why Did Crime Fall in New York City? - The New York Times

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kofh2u
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Message 580 of 5179 (684986)
12-19-2012 9:31 PM
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12-19-2012 5:37 PM


Re: Unattributed Copypasta
????
What more do you guys want than the source following each stat I listed????
Like here are some of th Stats I posted:
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census).
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.
85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes.
(Source: Center for Disease Control).
80% of rapist motivated by displaced anger come from fatherless homes.
(Source: Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14, pp. 403-26).
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. (Source: National Principals Assoc. Report on the State of High Schools).
etc, etc

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kofh2u
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Message 584 of 5179 (685000)
12-19-2012 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 571 by Percy
12-19-2012 5:59 PM


Re: About The Topic
I wanted to discuss how or if we can reduce gun deaths in the US.
But single motherhood's and welfare's impact on crime is clearly not part of the topic.
Its not so "clear" to the authors of Freakonomics, though:
Freakonomics authors Steven Levitt and Steven Dubner attribute the drop in crime to the legalization of abortion in the 1970s, as they suggest that many would-be neglected children and criminals were never born.
Crime in New York City - Wikipedia

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kofh2u
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Message 602 of 5179 (685052)
12-20-2012 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 595 by Faith
12-20-2012 8:44 AM


Re: more information
If there are laws that favor criminals obtaining weapons, those need to be changed.
The liberals do not really want to correct the bad behavior behind anti-social acts.
Correction of the people responsible opposes the politically correct feminist stradegy used in the emasculate home environment.
There, the spanking has been outlaw now governs the mentality of these people in regard to raising up the whole society with coddling, educating, conjoling, and excusing.
Consider all the liberal progressive democratic "solutions" supported and recommended on all issue including Gun Control.
The thinking is basically the "mommy-ism" of "take away the toy," but do NOT spank her prize possession:
The Democrat solution for the Gun killings is to do away with the Guns.
The Democrat solution for the Drug problem is to do away with the Drug Laws.
The Democrat solution for the teenage pregnancies is to do away with the babies.
The Democrat solution for the Economic recession is to place a Tax on successful business.
The Democratic solution for Unemployment is to extend the Unemployment Checks.
The Democrat solution for bank insolvency is to do away with the bankruptcy because they are too big to fail.
The Democrat solution for keeping Government Bond rates low is to buy their own bonds.
The Democrat solution for War is to do away with the military deterrent.
The Democrat solution for poverty is to give them other people’s money.
The Democrat solution for Conservative Laws is to assign Liberal judges.
The Democrat solution for fat kids is to investigate Fast Food restaurants.
The Democrat solution for the school bully is to arrest teachers for grabbing them.
Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

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kofh2u
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Message 608 of 5179 (685073)
12-20-2012 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 604 by dronestar
12-20-2012 10:17 AM


Re: more information
Wow.
To repeat, education is our only chance of gaining sanity.
The liberal solution for Education seems to be to raise tuition so high people wise up.
The get "educated" enough to count four years time and tuition = $200,000.
They will simply buy their kids a franchise business and drop out of school.

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kofh2u
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Message 659 of 5179 (685172)
12-20-2012 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 609 by dronestar
12-20-2012 11:42 AM


Re: more information
(We are all doomed, . . . can those Mayan's prophetize or what?.)
We'll find out at 21:00 tomorrow, right?

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kofh2u
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Message 660 of 5179 (685177)
12-20-2012 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 638 by ooh-child
12-20-2012 4:38 PM


growth of suspicious detention camps...
I'm still curious if you think tyranny is forcing people into government-run camps.
Jerry Ventura, the ex-governor, was asking exactly that question, What and who and why.
Tyranny is what exists just before the people revolt against a government.
What is tyranny if not policies that closed the Banks for a week, wiped out privately owned companies, screwed bond and stock holders at GM, saw senators and congressmen get filthy rich, and the whole economy on the verge of disorganized disintegration?
Wasn't that what happen if France when all that was left was cake?

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kofh2u
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Message 661 of 5179 (685178)
12-20-2012 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 658 by Panda
12-20-2012 6:25 PM


Re: It didn't help
Correct.
That is what happens when the Germany army meets legally armed Polish civilians.
2.5 million Polish die and Germany takes over their country.
But that wasn't what happen in Algeria when the hand guns suddenly were thrust into the ribs of a French soldier or policeman and he died in a hit and run that could not be stopped.
The Pop Shot forced all French people off the streets and out of the markets.
The IRA demonstrated the same thing against the British economy.
And the mass protest in the Arab Spring has illustrated what instantaneous communications can do politically.

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kofh2u
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Message 664 of 5179 (685203)
12-21-2012 1:27 AM


orrelations work both ways in regard to guns:
1) "A large American study indicated that liberalized laws for carrying concealed weapons reduced murder rates in the US by 8.5%.
2) "US homicide rates in the year 1900 were an estimated (at only) 1 per 100,000 at a time when anyone of any age could buy a gun."
3) "American gun supply (including handguns) doubled from the 1973-1992 period, during which homicide rates remained unchanged "
(WALL STREET JOURNAL, 4-Aug-2000, p.A10).
4) "New Hampshire and Vermont have some of the least stringent gun control laws in the US, yet have lower murder rates than Massachusetts,..." which has tough gun control laws.
We DO know for sure that Whites kill half of the people murdered, while Blacks kill the other half.
And we KNOW that they did this almost exclusively to their own people, too, not each other.
And we KNOW that the non-Black population is@ 87.5% and the Black population is@ 12.5%, yet both murder the same number of people, or that Black on Black murder is 5 times the White rate.
And we KNOW it is the young killers who are murdering people:
And we do know that 70% of the Blacks youths are now raised by Single Mothers on Welfare.

kofh2u
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Message 665 of 5179 (685204)
12-21-2012 1:38 AM
Reply to: Message 662 by ooh-child
12-20-2012 11:22 PM


Re: growth of suspicious detention camps...
First, circumventing the rules for dissolving a corporation in order to give the business to the workers is Marxism, which no bond invester knew he was agreeing to.
Second, wiping out the ownership of the Stock Holders and handing the company over to the unions is exactly the enemy America has fought the Cold War to keep out of the country.
Third, to do these things instead of making the unions face the fact that they forced negotiations to pay them more than the company could is exactly why Greece can not rescue itself and revolt in the streets is imminent there, as it will be here when the die is cast.
Maybe that is the reason for the camps.
Maybe nationalizing the American Oil Companies is reason for attacking those rich little stock holders who have IRA's for their retirement, while the rabble rousing suggests some one person owns MOBIL OIL?
Won't it be nice for politician to avoid raising taxes openly, when they can just raise our gas and electric bills unnoticed?
Maybe those camos are there because the rural areas and the suburban areas might notice???

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kofh2u
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Message 666 of 5179 (685205)
12-21-2012 1:47 AM
Reply to: Message 649 by ramoss
12-20-2012 5:09 PM


Crime and the Single Mother Families
KOFH2u:
... so, then you are well aware that the crime is in poor inner city neighborhood where fatherless boys are raised by Single Mothers who can not represent that authority figure which is so necessary to instilling respect for rules in general.
ramoss:
Care to show studies for that?
I found one refuting it.
35 schools in ten cities,
researchers found that students attending
schools with a higher proportion of
teens from single-parent families
committed more violent offenses,
regardless of their own family structure.
An important thing to notice about the
results is that it matters how many
single-parent families a student is
exposed to, regardless of whether the
student has one or two parents in the
home. (Anderson 2002, p. 585)
A study of American Indian middleschoolers
found that after [c]ontrolling
for only age, gender and family per
capita income, living in a two-parent
family decreased gang involvement by
more than 50%.... (Whitbeck 2002, p.
17)
Of the seven studies4 that looked at
whether aggregate divorce or out-ofwedlock
childbearing rates affected crime
rates, six found that some changes in family
structure were related to increases in crime
and one (Parker and Johns 2002) found
mixed results.5
more...
Marital Agreements - Institute for Marriage and Public Policy

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kofh2u
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Message 667 of 5179 (685206)
12-21-2012 1:56 AM
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12-20-2012 5:09 PM


Crime and the Single Mother Families
KOFH2u:
... so, then you are well aware that the crime is in poor inner city neighborhood where fatherless boys are raised by Single Mothers who can not represent that authority figure which is so necessary to instilling respect for rules in general.
ramoss:
Care to show studies for that?
I found one refuting it.
The source you recommended below is interesting.
Marital Agreements - Institute for Marriage and Public Policy
What this psychologist assumed was that a broken family meant that no natural father or a stand in Step father was present.
He found that the studies are correct.
It turns out that a Step father is actually worse than no father.
A broken family clearly means the father is not present and no stand in step father is a substitute.
This confirms that No Fault Divorce and remarriage is actually worse and more abusive to the children.
NOTE from your source:
If delinquency were a response to excessive maternal identification, however, the presence of a stepfather should reduce the criminogenic effects of paternal loss. This does not occur. In fact, studies have consistently shown higher rates of delinquency for boys who had substitute fathers than those having no fathers in the home (Glueck and Glueck; Hirschi; McCord, McCord, and Thurber).
Despite the frequency with which both the popular press and participants in the legal system blame "broken" homes for failures to socialize children as willing participants in an ordered social system, their conclusion goes well beyond the facts. Research that takes into account the role of parental conflict, stress, or socioeconomic conditions in relation to single-parent families fails to show that single-parent families contribute disproportionately to crime.
Read more: Family Relationships and Crime - Single-parent Families And Crime - Parents, Homes, Effects, and Parental - JRank Articles Family Relationships and Crime - Single-parent Families And Crime - Parents, Effects, Homes, and Parental - JRank Articles

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kofh2u
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Message 681 of 5179 (685243)
12-21-2012 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 679 by Tempe 12ft Chicken
12-21-2012 10:57 AM


When guns are illegal only illegals will have guns....
Sure we have more homicides by gun, but would many of these homicides remain through another means if guns were fully banned?
Clearly we are going to ban legal guns as can be seen by the liberal left views here that ignore the real problem, which is poor kids packed into intercities/schools and being raised fatherlessly by Single Mothers on Welfare.
So the real question is where can one buy illegal guns an how many are already in the hands of people who wil never turn them in like the sane, normal, conservative Right which will follow dictates and have listed their ownership on State/Federal Records proving they did buy a gun?
Another question is how can America last when the Truth is not as important as the Politically Correct assumptions that flow like rumors through the masses?????

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