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kofh2u
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Message 682 of 5179 (685247)
12-21-2012 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 668 by Faith
12-21-2012 2:07 AM


Re: These Yanks are Crazy.....
The Jews realized it was too late to pray for mercy in 1942-5 when the consequences of the roaring 20's and rise of Feminism/gayness in Germany was already peaking due to the inability to Borrow from America or balance their Budgets.
All that was left to do was for a Strong man, like Obama, to rise up become the Great Father of the Fatherland which was to return to the patriarchy that always overcome the matriarchy that fails.
Survivalists need buy illegal guns now before the opportunities disappear.

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Message 690 of 5179 (685267)
12-21-2012 12:24 PM


care for kids...
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If we truly cherish our kids, more than our money, more than our celebrities, more than our sports stadiums, we must give them the greatest level of protection possible. And that security is only available with properly trained, armed good guys. Under Asa’s leadership, our team of security experts will make this program available to the world for protecting our children in school. And we’ll make the program available to every single school in America, free of charge. That’s a plan of action that can, and will make a real positive, indisputable difference in the safety of our children, and it will start right now.
What I see is that the people who push to condemn guns do not care for the kids raised in such abuse by these broken families that they become criminals.
It is just the Politically Left Incorrect thinking that comes from a feminists philosophy that tries to avoid condemning the real causes, which are their bastard kids.
The evidence is that almost all these shooters are under age 25, raised in fatherless homes, generally rsponsible for 70% of all our Social Problems.
Bill Cosby was silenced for saying this same thing to the Black Church goers:
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BILL COSBY:
"So, tell your friends. Let's try to do something. Let's try to make Jesus smile.
Let's start parenting."
Ladies and gentlemen, I really have to ask you to seriously consider what you've heard, and now this is the end of the evening so to speak.
I heard a prize fight manager say to his fellow who was losing badly, "David, listen to me.
It's not what's he's doing to you.
It's what you're not doing."
Ladies and gentlemen, these (white) people set -- they opened the doors, they gave us the right, and today, ladies and gentlemen, in our cities and public schools we have 50% drop out.
In our own neighborhood, we have men in prison.
No longer is a person embarrassed because they're pregnant without a husband.
No longer is a boy considered an embarrassment if he tries to run away from being the father of the unmarried child.
Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic and lower middle economic people are not holding their end in this deal.
In the neighborhood that most of us grew up in, parenting is not going on.
In the old days, you couldn't hooky school because every drawn shade was an eye.
And before your mother got off the bus and to the house, she knew exactly where you had gone, who had gone into the house, and where you got on whatever you had one and where you got it from.
Parents don't know that today.
I'm talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
Where were you when he was two?
Where were you when he was twelve?
Where were you when he was eighteen, and how come you don't know he had a pistol?
And where is his father, and why don't you know where he is? And why doesn't the father show up to talk to this boy?
The church is only open on Sunday.
And you can't keep asking Jesus to ask doing things for you. You can't keep asking that God will find a way.
God is tired of you.
God was there when they won all those cases -- fifty in a row. That's where God was because these people were doing something.
And God said, "I'm going to find a way."
I wasn't there when God said it -- I'm making this up.
But it sounds like what God would do.
We cannot blame white people.
White people -- White people don't live over there.
They close up the shop early.
The Korean ones still don't know us as well -- they stay open 24 hours.
I'm looking and I see a man named Kenneth Clark, he and his wife Mamie.
Kenneth's still alive.
I have to apologize to him for these people because Kenneth said it straight.
He said you have to strengthen yourselves, and we've got to have that black doll.
And everybody said it.
Julian Bond said it.
Dick Gregory said it.
All these lawyers said it.
And you wouldn't know that anybody had done a damned thing.
Fifty percent drop out rate, I'm telling you, and people in jail, and women having children by five, six different men.
Under what excuse?
I want somebody to love me.
And as soon as you have it, you forget to parent.
Grandmother, mother, and great grandmother in the same room, raising children, and the child knows nothing about love or respect of any one of the three of them.
All this child knows is "gimme, gimme, gimme."
These people want to buy the friendship of a child, and the child couldn't care less.
Those of us sitting out here who have gone on to some college or whatever we've done, we still fear our parents.
And these people are not parenting.
They're buying things for the kid -- $500 sneakers -- for what?
They won't buy or spend $250 on Hooked on Phonics.
Kenneth Clark, somewhere in his home in upstate New York -- just looking ahead.
Thank God he doesn't know what's going on.
Thank God.
But these people -- the ones up here in the balcony fought so hard.
Looking at the incarcerated, these are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca Cola.
People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake!
Then we all run out and are outraged: "The cops shouldn't have shot him."
What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand?
I wanted a piece of pound cake just as bad as anybody else. And I looked at it and I had no money.
And something called parenting said if you get caught with it you're going to embarrass your mother.
" Not, "You're going to get your butt kicked."
No. "You're going to embarrass your mother."
"You're going to embarrass your family."
If you knock that girl up, you're going to have to run away because it's going to be too embarrassing for your family.
In the old days, a girl getting pregnant had to go down South, and then her mother would go down to get her.
But the mother had the baby.
I said the mother had the baby.
The girl didn't have a baby.
The mother had the baby in two weeks.
We are not parenting.
Ladies and gentlemen, listen to these people.
They are showing you what's wrong.
People putting their clothes on backwards.
Isn't that a sign of something going on wrong?
Are you not paying attention?
People with their hat on backwards, pants down around the crack.
Isn't that a sign of something or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up?
Isn't it a sign of something when she's got her dress all the way up to the crack -- and got all kinds of needles and things going through her body.
What part of Africa did this come from?
We are not Africans.
Those people are not Africans; they don't know a damned thing about Africa.
With names like Shaniqua, Shaligua, Mohammed and all that crap and all of them are in jail.
(When we give these kinds names to our children, we give them the strength and inspiration in the meaning of those names. What's the point of giving them strong names if there is not parenting and values backing it up).
Brown versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.
We've got to take the neighborhood back.
We've got to go in there.
Just forget telling your child to go to the Peace Corps. It's right around the corner. It's standing on the corner.
It can't speak English. It doesn't want to speak English.
I can't even talk the way these people talk: "Why you ain't where you is go ra?"
I don't know who these people are.
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
Then I heard the father talk.
This is all in the house.
You used to talk a certain way on the corner and you got into the house and switched to English.
Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads.
You can't land a plane with, "Why you ain't"
You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
There is no Bible that has that kind of language.
Where did these people get the idea that they're moving ahead on this.
Well, they know they're not; they're just hanging out in the same place, five or six generations sitting in the projects when you're just supposed to stay there long enough to get a job and move out.
Now, look, I'm telling you. It's not what they're doing to us.
It's what we're not doing.
50 percent drop out.
Look, we're raising our own ingrown immigrants.
These people are fighting hard to be ignorant.
There's no English being spoken, and they're walking and they're angry.
Oh God, they're angry and they have pistols and they shoot and they do stupid things.
And after they kill somebody, they don't have a plan.
Just murder somebody.
Boom.
Over what?
A pizza?
And then run to the poor cousin's house.
They sit there and the cousin says, "What are you doing here?"
"I just killed somebody, man.
"What?"
"I just killed somebody; I've got to stay here."
"No, you don't."
"Well, give me some money, I'll go."
"Where are you going?"
"North Carolina."
Everybody wanted to go to North Carolina.
But the police know where you're going because your cousin has a record.
Five or six different children -- same woman, eight, ten different husbands or whatever.
Pretty soon you're going to have to have DNA cards so you can tell who you're making love to.
You don't who this is. It might be your grandmother.
I'm telling you, they're young enough.
Hey, you have a baby when you're twelve.
Your baby turns thirteen and has a baby, how old are you?
Huh?
Grandmother.
By the time you're twelve, you could have sex with your grandmother, you keep those numbers coming.
I'm just predicting.
I'm saying Brown versus the Board of Education.
We've got to hit the streets, ladies and gentlemen.
I'm winding up, now -- no more applause.
I'm saying, look at the Black Muslims.
There are Black Muslims standing on the street corners and they say so forth and so on, and we're laughing at them because they have bean pies and all that, but you don't read, "Black Muslim gunned down while chastising drug dealer."
You don't read that.
They don't shoot down Black Muslims.
You understand me.
Muslims tell you to get out of the neighborhood.
When you want to clear your neighborhood out, first thing you do is go get the Black Muslims, bean pies and all.
And your neighborhood is then clear.
The police can't do it.
I'm telling you Christians, what's wrong with you?
Why can't you hit the streets?
Why can't you clean it out yourselves?
It's our time now, ladies and gentlemen.
It is our time.
And I've got good news for you.
It's not about money.
It's about you doing something ordinarily that we do -- get in somebody else's business.
It's time for you to not accept the language that these people are speaking, which will take them nowhere.
What the hell good is Brown v. Board of Education if nobody wants it?
What is it with young girls getting after some girl who wants to still remain a virgin.
Who are these sick black people and where did they come from and why haven't they been parented to shut up?
To go up to girls and try to get a club where "you are nobody...."
This is a sickness, ladies and gentlemen, and we are not paying attention to these children.
These are children.
They don't know anything.
They don't have anything.
They're homeless people.
All they know how to do is beg.
And you give it to them, trying to win their friendship.
And what are they good for?
And then they stand there in an orange suit and you drop to your knees: "He didn't do anything.
He didn't do anything."
Yes, he did do it.
And you need to have an orange suit on, too.
So, ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank you for the award -- and giving me an opportunity to speak because, I mean, this is the future, and all of these people who lined up and done -- they've got to be wondering what the hell happened.
Brown V. Board of Education -- these people who marched and were hit in the face with rocks and punched in the face to get an education and we got these knuckleheads walking around who don't want to learn English.
I know that you all know it.
I just want to get you as angry that you ought to be.
When you walk around the neighborhood and you see this stuff, that stuff's not funny.
These people are not funny anymore.
And that's not my brother.
And that's not my sister.
They're faking and they're dragging me way down because the state, the city, and all these people have to pick up the tab on them because they don't want to accept that they have to study to get an education.
We have to begin to build in the neighborhood, have restaurants, have cleaners, have pharmacies, have real estate, have medical buildings instead of trying to rob them all.
And so, ladies and gentlemen, please, Dorothy Height, where ever she's sitting, she didn't do all that stuff so that she could hear somebody say "I can't stand algebra, I can't stand" and "what you is."
It's horrible.
Basketball players -- multimillionaires can't write a paragraph.
Football players, multimillionaires, can't read.
Yes.
Multimillionaires.
Well, Brown v. Board of Education, where are we today?
It's there.
They paved the way.
What did we do with it?
The White Man, he's laughing -- got to be laughing.
50 percent drop out -- rest of them in prison.
You got to tell me that if there was parenting -- help me -- if there was parenting, he wouldn't have picked up the Coca Cola bottle and walked out with it to get shot in the back of the head.
He wouldn't have.
Not if he loved his parents.
And not if they were parenting!
Not if the father would come home.
Not if the boy hadn't dropped the sperm cell inside of the girl and the girl had said, "No, you have to come back here and be the father of this child."
Not .."I don't have to."
Therefore, you have the pile up of these sweet beautiful things born by nature -- raised by no one.
Give them presents.
You're raising pimps.
That's what a pimp is.
A pimp will act nasty to you so you have to go out and get them something.
And then you bring it back and maybe he or she hugs you. And that's why pimp is so famous.
They've got a drink called the "Pimp-something."
You all wonder what that's about, don't you?
Well, you're probably going to let Jesus figure it out for you. Well, I've got something to tell you about Jesus.
When you go to the church, look at the stained glass things of Jesus.
Look at them.
Is Jesus smiling?
Not in one picture.
So, tell your friends.
Let's try to do something.
Let's try to make Jesus smile.
Let's start parenting.
Thank you, thank you.

kofh2u
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Message 691 of 5179 (685270)
12-21-2012 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 689 by crashfrog
12-21-2012 12:15 PM


Re: Would this be enough?
Sure, I think it makes sense to everyone that the rate of gun homicides is higher in a country with more guns.
If so, then why has murder rates over the long run of 800 years actually gone down, DRAMATICALLY
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Message 701 of 5179 (685290)
12-21-2012 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 693 by New Cat's Eye
12-21-2012 12:50 PM


Murder in a fascist State ....
Murder in a fascist State or Islamic Theocracy is not even comparable either way to what happens in a Free Society.
The cost of Freedom is in part ignoring some potential problem people and entertaining aggressive differences of opinion.
ARGUMENTS are the most common motivation for a shooting:
The most commonly cited reason for homicide is argument (including arguments about money & property under the influence of alcohol or narcotics).
One third of all homicides in 1997 were triggered by arguments.
Felony (rape, theft, narcotics, etc. ) accounted for a fifth of homicides and gang killings accounted for one twentieth.
About a third were of unknown motive and the other 10% were miscellaneous motives.
If we consider arguments as the motivation, then we must count things like the Arab Spring in our Stats for murdering people.
When people oppose a dictator, murders of 40,000 people in Syria happen.
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Message 702 of 5179 (685291)
12-21-2012 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 683 by NoNukes
12-21-2012 11:33 AM


Re: When guns are illegal only illegals will have guns....
Not that aren't problems in inner city schools, but it does not seem that any of these large school massacres fit the pattern you are describing. Sandy Hook is not an inner city school. Lanza's mom was divorced from Lanza's dad, but the divorce occurred after twenty seven years of marriage in 2009.
True.
The few school murders are wagging the tail of this discussion as if the real problem of murder in America is the five inidences that happened since Columbine years ago.
The foolish discussion, here, of the wrong solutions for a problem that is not caused by the gun, but by the Welfare System and culture of fatherless teens would prefer I shut up so politicians can enact legislation that is dangerous to Freedom and unimportant in regard to the growing barbarism in our inter cities.

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Message 720 of 5179 (685320)
12-21-2012 5:21 PM


OK, liberals, "overwhelming, killers use illegal guns..."
"The overwhelming majority of gun related crimes are committed with guns that have been stolen, and traded for drugs.
Those guns are passed from criminal to criminal, sold and resold, and may very well be used in hundreds of crimes before they are recovered from someone accused of a crime."
What Percentage Of Crimes Committed With Illegal And Legal Guns - Gun Laws
We do have a handle on the source of guns recovered from persons arrested and accused of a crime. Of guns recovered from persons arrested and charged with a crime:
84 percent of those guns were stolen in a burglary; including 4 percent stolen from a relative or a friend.

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kofh2u
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Message 723 of 5179 (685326)
12-21-2012 5:58 PM


..only the killers will have guns when they are illegal..
Only those people who alreacy overwhelmingly obtain illegal guns for illegal acts, including murder, will have guns when law abiding peple give uo tjeir rights to own guns.
So, obviously, the law will not stop the murders, because it is directed at the wrong solution.
What DOES seem to work very very evry very well is the same thing the liberal progressive democrats oppose:

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kofh2u
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Message 736 of 5179 (685384)
12-22-2012 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 724 by Dr Adequate
12-21-2012 6:17 PM


Re: ..only the killers will have guns when they are illegal..
ORLY?
In a state-by-state analysis, The Times found that during the last 20 years, the homicide rate in states with the death penalty has been 48 percent to 101 percent higher than in states without the death penalty.
Well we can't get a more liberal argument than reading the 2000AD NY Times analysis, but here is what the articles attached to my graphic says:
Abolitionists have pointed to the fact that states with the highest execution rates have the highest murder rates, whereas proponents have suggested that high murder rates had forced the adoption of execution.
1) On March 1, 1847 the State of Michigan became the first English-speaking territory in the world to abolish the death penalty. It may be no accident that Detroit rivals Washington, DC as the city with the highest murder rate among American cities having a population over half-a-million.
2) Texas, the state with the highest number of executions, dropped from being the state with the second highest murder rate to the 15th in the 1990s after beginning lethal injection in 1982.
Consider these studies and the credentials of those reportingthem;
David B. Muhlhausen, PhD, Senior Policy Analyst at the Heritage Foundation's Center for Data Analysis, in testimony delivered on June 27, 2007 before the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Property Rights of the US Senate Judiciary Committee, stated:
"The recent studies using panel data techniques have confirmed what we learned decades ago: Capital punishment does, in fact, save lives... Over the years, several studies have demonstrated a link between executions and decreases in murder rates. In fact, studies done in recent years, using sophisticated panel data methods, consistently demonstrate a strong link between executions and reduced murder incidents.
Using a panel data set of over 3,000 counties from 1977 to 1996, Professors Hashem Dezhbakhsh [and] Shepherd of Emory University found that each execution, on average, results in 18 fewer murders...
They found that executions had a highly significant negative relationship with murder incidents. Additionally, the implementation of state moratoria is associated with the increased incidence of murders... While opponents of capital punishment allege that it is unfairly used against African—Americans, each additional execution deters the murder of 1.5 African—Americans. Further moratoria, commuted sentences, and death row removals appear to increase the incidence of murder... Americans support capital punishment for two good reasons. First, there is little evidence to suggest that minorities are treated unfairly. Second, capital punishment produces a strong deterrent effect that saves lives."
June 27, 2007 - David B. Muhlhausen, PhD

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kofh2u
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Message 742 of 5179 (685400)
12-22-2012 1:07 PM


...more guns, less crime...
In 1999, Michigan's violent crime rate was 4,324.8 per 100,000 people, compared to Ohio's 3,996.4. Legislators and citizens were fed up.
Amidst howls from gun control extremists, failed court challenges, and veto-threats, Michigan's state legislature passed a "shall-issue" concealed carry reform bill into law. The state began issuing licenses in the year 2000.
In the first year of widespread licensing, Michigan's rate dropped to 4,109.9, vs. Ohio's increase to 4,041.8 per 100,000 people.

In 2001, Michigan's crime rate dropped below Ohio's for the first time since modern crime trends have been recorded - down to 4,081.5 per 100,000 people, compared to yet another increase in Ohio - up to 4,177.6.
With the success of Michigan's concealed carry law apparent even to some former opponents, the state legislature passed a number of liberalizations to that state's CCW law - making it easier to obtain a license, and to carry a firearm for self-defense in more places. The changes went into effect last July.
The FBI has just released it's 2002 Uniform Crime Report, which reveals stunning facts about the success of Michigan's concealed carry law:
amidst a slight upward trend in crime nationwide, Michigan's crime rate has dropped yet again: down to 3874.1, a 10.5% reduction in just three years. In that same time, Ohio's crime rate has increased 5%.
As if this isn't enough, the devil can most certainly be found in the details:
Ohio's violent crime rate is increasing at an even faster pace than the overall crime trend - up 4.24% in 2002.
Michigan's violent crime rate, on the other hand, dropped another 2.63%.
Ohio's murder rate was up a whopping 21.24% last year, while Michigan's experienced a less than one percent change.
Ohio's rape rate (already one of the highest in the nation) rose another 13.31% last year, while Michigan's dropped 1.34%.
Robberies in Ohio surged 6.5% in 2002, while they dropped a whopping 8.49%
across the northern border. Car thefts, which include carjackings, increased 2.83% in Ohio last year, while falling 7.42% in Michigan.
FBI: Michigan's crime rate down 10.5% with CCW law | Buckeye Firearms Association

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Message 750 of 5179 (685439)
12-22-2012 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 741 by NoNukes
12-22-2012 11:20 AM


Re: ..only the killers will have guns when they are illegal..
So who is right? It looks like the proponents have no cases.
When one considers that only 43 people have ACTUALLY been executed in America annually, the mere threat seems to have enough effect on curtailing murder in the States where it clearly has accompanied lower rates.
IMAGINE the impact if all murderers we executed promptly and advertised as publicly as in Muslim nations where murder is so low??????
Isn't it ACTUALLY permissive and ACTUALLY enabling for America to practical say one can get away with killing someone if he/she really want to kill them?
And, conversely, isn't the anti-death penalty people a waste of time (since we really do not kill anyone anyway, i.e., 43 people out of 10,000 murders), and waste of money/lobbying De facto, plus advocates that advertise that murderers might avoid such a fate, so they take their chances???
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Message 752 of 5179 (685442)
12-22-2012 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 751 by ramoss
12-22-2012 7:21 PM


Re: It didn't help
Yes, that's working really good in Syria right now.
The rebels are executing the murderers of the regime with consequences that will stop the dictatorial past where they were getting away with murder.
The use of murder and fear to extort power over all those others now rebelling,... without guns but bare hands , just took more abuse and time to get everyone out on the street.
That is why America needs the constitution in place.

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Message 757 of 5179 (685514)
12-23-2012 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 756 by Dr Adequate
12-23-2012 4:08 AM


There's something a little odd about this graph, don't you think?
What's odd about it is that there's no scale for one of the figures. Unless the author is really claiming that in the year 2000 there were 100 murders per capita.
Shall we have a real graph? Let's.
They are both saying the same thing.
The first graph is based upon murders per 66,000 per capita, while your second graph is based upon 100,000 per capita.
1) Note, though, that from 1930 through 1960, executions dropped because murderers disappeared, as shown in that both curves went down.
Then, with the Sexual Revolution, the increase in Single Mothers (because of Welfare which Johnson started), and fatherless kids grew up.
2) The almost zero Executions remained there, between 1965-1980, as murders sky rocketed from 1965 thru 1980.
This is clearly notable on both graphs.
3) Murders sky rocketed during that hiatus, 1965-1980, in Executions as seen on both charts.
4) When Executions returned in 1990, few as they have been, murders decreased, PER CAPITA on both curves.
But my POINT is that America does NOT actually execute murderers, but drags out 30 years of court discussions, ending with about 42 actual executions.
The riff raff KNOWS this, and see Execution as a rare rare pay back.
In prisons and gangs and among themselves, they KNOW what they call The System.
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Message 758 of 5179 (685515)
12-23-2012 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 755 by Dr Adequate
12-23-2012 3:47 AM


On the other hand, isn't it by the same token equally a waste of time for people to be in favor of the death penalty? You guys only get to kill 43 people a year and, really, how much of a deterrent is that?
Its an important deterent as can be supported with the Plea Bargaining process.
Criminals will negotite to avoid the sentence and cooperate in many ways with the police, including ratting out the ither people involved and confessing to many unsoved crimes that cost time and money to continue pursuing.
That when faced with death, these people change their attitude in these plea bargains is the tip of the iceberg we note on these graphs in regard to lowering the murder rate.
What the average citizen does't realize is that criminal are well versed and educated in the price they coulkd pay for crimes.
Police send them messages by focusing on certain criminal acivity so harshly and disppoportionately at times that the criminals stop that specific behavior.
WAe saw that in the '30s with Bank Robbery and Kidnapping.
Making those Federa Crimes with long sentences almost stopped the crimes in this sectors.
Car Jacking has almist been eliminated since the days when the criminal merely got a smack on the hand.
If America doesn't wake up to REALITIES, and face the Facts of Life, murders will continue without change.

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Message 759 of 5179 (685516)
12-23-2012 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 753 by AZPaul3
12-22-2012 9:24 PM


NRA head is right...
The organization has lost touch with the realities of our society. It is time for this group to be sidelined then ignored.
The CEO of the NRA said that to collect 250,000 kids into one big daily community called the Public Schools in the major cities and have NO POLICEMAN there is insane and stupid.
The CEO of the NRA said that the anti-gun people, effectively, were responsible for these deaths, not the gun.
They are the Enablers, and the people who remove the Deterent.
A absence of a man with a gun and authority to maintain Law and Order was the reason 20 children died, and all those college students in the recent past.
It is dumb and even stupid when people still maintain all the younger generation will be OK without a policeman watching over their "society."
These same dumb people would NEVER live without a phone call away from a policeman, nor venture into the market places and streets if they were not CERTAIN police were around.
Would they?
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kofh2u
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Message 762 of 5179 (685545)
12-23-2012 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 760 by Dr Adequate
12-23-2012 3:03 PM


yes, Herr doctor...
If America doesn't wake up to REALITIES, and face the Facts of Life, murders will continue without change.
Except, dear kofh2u, that the figures show the murder rate is declining and is now as low as it's been in a hundred years.
So true.
The rate of crime has dropped in half since the Abortion Rate eliminated about half of the illegitimate babies starting just 15-20 years before.
What we have seen is the abortions have cut the murder rate, not Gun Laws.
As ex-Sec of Education, William Bennett said on the radio, wiping out the remaining Welfare Single Mother Families could drop the murder Rate again to alomost nil.
Freakonomics authors Steven Levitt and Steven Dubner attribute the drop in crime to the legalization of abortion in the 1970s, as they suggest that many would-be neglected children and criminals were never born.
Crime in New York City - Wikipedia
However, we are now seeing the Single Mother population nthe rise again.
Half of all births today ar illegitimate., @ 1,500,000, in spite we abort 1.2 million.

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