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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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but they claim to be working Big difference between working and in firing condition. I have a working 1908 belgian 12 gauge shotgun that I would never fire. The action works great. But it isn't safe to fire.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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That is the fucking point. This stuff would have to be smuggled. That makes it harder to do. That is the purpose of doing these things. To make it harder.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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A blanket ban is stupid. No they won't just disappear, but guns do take maintenance. The average criminal is probably not going to maintain his gun so that it will function for years and years. Improperly stored or maintained and a gun can become inoperable in a very short time.
That being said regulating them through registration and logging ammo sales is probably two good steps to start.
I was not sure on the exact dates on the weapons, but my main point on this is that these weapons are pretty durable. Even if we go with the low end of the dates that these guns are from, let's say this Hawken rifle, we are still looking at some weapons surviving 123 years.
These are rare examples of weapons that were well cared for. This not the norm. These are exceptional pieces that many people took care of on a regular basis. They were not stored in someones closet.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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Again, using Mexico and the War on Drugs as a analogy...tell that to the Marijuana Dealers. I don't know about where you live but around here it is all USA grown.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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That and he gives no source. We have no way to know if the data is correct or something he or someone else pulled out of their ass.
ABEWe don't even know if the chart is for Australia. Nothing anyone claims has any validity if they are not welling to present their sources. This is one of a long list of things that Crash threw out without any support. He reminds me of a monkey in zoo. Flinging shit as he does a crash gallop. He has out gished Duane Gish. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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Found his source. Amazing it doesnt agree with him.
quote: I guess that is why he didn't give a source. Edited by Theodoric, : forgot to bold as in originalFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
They're not meant to tell you anything about guns, and I never said they were about guns. They were about homicides. So not about the topic? Classic.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
The topic is whether gun control can reduce homicide. That's the problem. Your arguing the wrong topic.
That's a form of misrepresentation. Are you being ironic again?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
We don't debate links.
If you got something to say, say it. If not don't post.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
why are so many people trying to convince me that Australia's gun control reduced the homicide rate?
Cause according to your source it did. ABEStill resorting to attacking the poster I see. Classic frog Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Try using preview buttons.
No need to be rude.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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The conclusions of this article mean nothing. I believe Panda touched on a couple things already.
One important thing is that this is not a peer reviewed study. This was published in university law journal. University law journals are student edited. If this would have stood up to review why was it not published in the journals of the American Society of Criminology. These guys are writing in a law journal. The figures are going to be skewed or cherry picked to make their point. Look at Luxembourg, They claim a murder rate of 9/100,000. According to every other source they have had no other year over 2.5 You can look that up at UNODC.org. Someone has already addressed this on another forum.
quote: Look at Luxembourg stats for yourself. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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You also see in Kofh2u's graph that there is essentially no change in homicides - they peak and fall in the same range with death penalty and without penalty.
And have you noticed that he supplies no source for all of these charts. All the charts are hosted on his own tripod.com site. I suspect the data is all made up.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
What is it I have not sourced??? Everything that is hosted on your tripod.com site.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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I've actually made quite a few arguments in this thread, all of which await your response.
No you haven't. If you had, you would have told us which post it was. Instead you are no better than the creo-fundies and their evidence.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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