Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Right now we have an ongoing situation of paranoia run wild in Alabama where a gun-toting survivalist has killed a school bus driver and taken a 5-year old boy hostage in his underground bunker (Authorities tight-lipped as standoff over child hostage enters 5th day).
You have a looney tune on the loose that was supposed to be in court the day after he shot and killed the bus driver for threatning neighbors branshing a gun.
Why was he on the streets instead of being observed and treated by the mental health profession.
So don't come at me telling me he was a survivalist. He was a man with a severe mental problem.
A survivalist is one who is prepared to defend him/her self family and posession from those who would harm them or take their posessions. They are not people who go out to the road and shoot a school bus driver. Or run around the neighborhood branishing their guns.
Percy writes:
Well, yes, I'm sure you are, and I bet that gun-toting survivalist is typical, too.
As I said that gun toting nut was on the loose because the justice system failed to do their job. Had they done therir job he would have been in a mental institution being evaluated as to whether he was a danger to society.
Percy writes:
it's reality we're hopefully trying to talk about here.
Then why not talk about reality, instead of spouting 20 year old conclusions as facts.
FACTS found
Here:
The Pdf file does not have a quickview to be able to link directly to the file. So you need to click on
[PDF] Preliminary Data for 2011 - Centers for Disease Control to open the file.
Drug induced deaths 2010 40,393
Alcohol induced deaths 2010 25,692
Accidental poisioning and exposure to noxious substances 2010 33,041
TOTAL Intentional self harme (suicide) 2010 38,364
Intentional self harm (suicide) by discharge of firearms 2010 19,392
Intentional self harm (suicide) by other means 2010 18,972
TOTAL Assault homicide 2010 16269
Assault homicide by discharge of firearms 2010 11,078
Assault homicide by other unspecified means 2010 5,181
Legal intervention 2010 412
TOTAL Events of undetermined intent 2010 4,908
Discharge of firearms, undetermined intent 2010 252
Other unspecified events of undetermined intent 2010 4,656
complications of medical and surgical care 2010 2,490
Preventable medical errors 2010 98,000 deaths
Here
Percy writes:
This would be incorrect. By your own figures there were 11,078 firearm homicides in 2010. Between 50% and 75% of homicides involve people who know each other, so even using pessimistic assumptions, at least thousands of people are murdered every year simply because a gun was available when someone became angry or distraught or depressed or drunk or drug-ridden or crazy.
Here you will find expanded homicide data table 10 in which the victim is listed horozontal at the top and the circumstances listed verticle.
This chart is for all murders with all kinds of weapons.
I can not find one for just guns, so I don't have any idea where your or your source is getting the information for your assumptions.
You mentioned drunk, there was 121 murders due to alcohol.
You mentioned drugs, there was 58 due to narcotics.
In 2010
110 husbands were murdered by their wives or ex-wives.
NOTE: I have no way of knowing where the weapon came from or where the murder took place or who committed the murder, or with what weapon.
603 wives were murdered by their husbands or ex-husbands.
NOTE: I have no way of knowing where the weapon came from or where the murder took place or who committed the murder, or with what weapon.
107 mothers were murdered by their children or stepchildren.
NOTE: I will assume these took place in or on the premises of the homestead but no idea of weapon used.
135 fathers were murdered by their children or stepchildren.
NOTE: I will assume these took place in or on the premises of the homestead, no idea what weapon was used.
256 sons were murdered by their father, mother, step father or step mother.
NOTE: I have no way of knowing where the weapon came from or where the murder took place or who committed the murder, or with what weapon.
197 daughters were murdered by their father, mother, step father or step mother.
NOTE: I have no way of knowing where the weapon came from or where the murder took place or who committed the murder, or with what weapon.
88 brothers were murdered by their sisters or step sisters
NOTE: I will assume these took place in or on the premises of the homestead, with no idea of what weapon used.
19 sisters were murdered by their brother or step brother.
NOTE: I will assume these took place in or on the premises of the homestead, with no idea of what weapon used.
287 other family members were murdered by some family member.
NOTE: I have no way of knowing where the weapon came from or where the murder took place or who committed the murderor with what weapon.
2,723 acquaintances were murdered by an acquaintance.
NOTE: I have no way of knowing where the weapon came from or where the murder took place, or with what weapon.
396 people were murdered by a friend.
NOTE: I have no way of knowing where the weapon came from or where the murder took place, or with what weapon.
131 boyfriends were murdered by their girlfriend or ex- girlfriend.
NOTE: I have no way of knowing where the weapon came from or where the murder took place or who committed the murder, or with what weapon.
492 girlfriends were murdered by their boyfriend or ex-boyfriend.
NOTE: I have no way of knowing where the weapon came from or where the murder took place or who committed the murder, or with what weapon.
92 neighbors were murdered by their neighbors.
NOTE: I have no way of knowing where the weapon came from or where the murder took place, or with what weapon.
8 employees were murdered by their employers.
NOTE: I have no way of knowing where the weapon came from or where the murder took place, or with what weapon.
13 employers were murdered by employees
NOTE: I have no way of knowing where the weapon came from or where the murder took place, or with what weapon.
1,651 strangers were murdered by a stranger.
NOTE: I have no way of knowing where the weapon came from or where the murder took place, or with what weapon.
5,724 unknown victims were murdered by unknown assailants.
NOTE: I have no way of knowing where the weapon came from or where the murder took place, or with what weapon.
So I have 349 murders that took place in a home by a weapon that was in the home. Although some of those counld have been brought in by the children.
349 is only .027% of 12,996.
For the sake of argument lets say they were all committed with a gun.
So if you want to show that your 50+% of murders is correct just because a gun was available you need to show how the weapon came from the house in which the victim lived.
Just a stupid question that you might be able to clear up for me.
Why has Uniform Protection Authority For Federal Reserve. purchased 1.6 billion hollow point rounds of ammunition over the last few months. These rounds are banned from warfare by the Geneva Convention
That is enough rounds to shoot every citizen four times and have rounds left in reserve.
This special police force is authorized by the USA Patriot Act of 2001 established in Section 364 of the Patriot act and answer to the Federal Reserve Banks only.
You don't use hollow point bullets for target practice, which they say is the reason for so many bullets.
And you wonder why I am so paranoid.
The smoke screen about saving lives is not the intent of Washington. The intent is to get all weapons out of the hands of the citizens.
God Bless,
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