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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 2115 of 5179 (693415)
03-14-2013 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 2112 by Faith
03-14-2013 10:57 PM


Re: The movement to trash the Constitution
Before I leave for the night I will leave a quote and see if you can find the author. In a gist, the author states that basically the US Constitution is a man-made document subject to fallacy and able to be amended and revised by each living generation. The Constitution is a living document and has changed through amendments through US history.
Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right. It may be said, that the succeeding generation exercising, in fact, the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law had been expressly limited to nineteen years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be, indeed, if every form of government were so perfectly contrived, that the will of the majority could always be obtained, fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves; their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils, bribery corrupts them, personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents; and other impediments arise, so as to prove to every practical man, that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal.

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 2116 of 5179 (693416)
03-14-2013 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 2114 by Faith
03-14-2013 11:17 PM


Re: Your list of my crimes
Look, I could go back through this thread and find all the derogatory nasty accusations against me and those on my side, but I don't care enough. We've regularly been called insane, "gun nuts," and accused of disregarding the victims of murderers just as you accused me. And that's all I can remember off the top of my head. You haven't noticed? But you want me, one of what, five or six on this thread who share my opinion, to avoid all remarks of that sort against our opponents? Really, DA, you have no sense of proportion. Or you're just so hypersensitive one must walk on eggs around you.
Hypersensative, you are the one accusing me of being uncivil. I am just dishing it back to you. Who is being hypersensitive? I will drop it now because I am sick of bantering back and forth with you. I just wanted to put a mirror up to show that you had no leg to stand on.

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 2118 of 5179 (693418)
03-14-2013 11:27 PM
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03-14-2013 11:23 PM


Re: Your list of my crimes
Just drop it faith, JFC.

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Message 2120 of 5179 (693424)
03-15-2013 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 2119 by Faith
03-15-2013 12:41 AM


Re: The movement to trash the Constitution
Somebody put that quote up a while back. Jefferson I believe. I find it rather undecipherable myself and I suspect it was something he wrote in a passing mood. So he's entitled to his opinion. What's your point?
My point is that the US Constitution is a living document, meaning that through history the Constitution has been modified/rewritten dozens of times through history by the Bill of Rights, 27 Amendments to the US Constitution, and by judicial review through the US Supreme Court and other federal courts. The US Constitution has evolved through history, it is not written in stone.
I think that is the point Jefferson was trying to make, that Constitution is a contract so to speak to the living generation not tied to the dead generations of the past. We compromise by allowing for these changes to the US Constitution but only by whole-sale ratification of amendments by a 3/4 majority of states or 2/3 majority of the House and Senate.

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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