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crashfrog says: No you won't. These days you'll be TASED, bro'.

Aesop has a fable about the Sun and the Wind. One day they are watching a man below, on the Earth, walking along a road. He is wearing a coat, because the weather is not so warm. The Wind gets the Sun into a contest to see who can get the coat off the man first. The Sun accepts the challenge and magnanimously lets the Wind have the first try. The Wind blows hard up the coattails and up into the coat. The man clutches the coat ever harder against him, wrapping his arms tightly around him. The Wind blows harder and harder. The man clenches the coat ever so much more tightly. The Wind blows him over, but still the man clenches his coat. The Wind pauses and turns to the Sun, saying "Your turn." The Sun shines brighter and brighter, warming the air. The man gets up and continues to walk the road again. The Sun shines even more, warming up the day. Soon it gets so hot the man removes his coat and carries it under his arm. The Wind concedes that he has lost.We won't get rid of guns until those that get them no longer want to get them. We can't blow like the wind with bans on certain kinds of guns. We must get to them, mostly inner city young boys, at the age of 4 or less and teach them in a manner so that they will not want to have a gun. It will be very HARD to do that. But it is the best way. We can start by legalizing drugs. The inner city youth has grown so cynical about whitey male government that owning a piece is a just natural part of fighting the terrible world they find themselves born into. We have to fix that by making the world they are born into not so virulently heinous to them.

DBlevins cites a source: From that I find the following: Two comments. First, the USA is an Outlier in all comparisons of nations. This was referred to in the first sentence above. This means that those tools that may have worked elsewhere are not expected to work in the USA. It's like bringing a carpenter's tool box to an automobile. Second, I advocated the push to change more Americans to NOT want to own guns in the first place - exactly the same as the Howard's op-ed lament in the last sentence.Certainly gun laws can make a difference here in the USA - but not that much at this time. We need to change the whole national mindset here. That will be very hard to do. Until that happens, nothing really will work to well.

I didn't find it either....

CRASHFROG! You apparently led us astray. Please repair yourself and get it right. No such link within your link.
Usually when posters supply a link supporting their argument, it goes directly to the page they are citing information from, not the front door into a foyer of some kind of maze you have to play games with to get to that link. You should be ashamed twice. Firstly, that you waited so long to provide the link, and secondly, that you actually STILL havent provided the link, despite trying to deceive us into thinking you had. What are we to make of you?Oh - I see now that you got suspended. Oh well. Never mind then. You have some time to think it over.

CS responds: The polite way I have to reply to that is that you, in my opinion, are WAY WRONG. As a courtesy to you and everyone else here, I'm leaving out about 46 F words.

RAZD asks: I think that was the point crashfrog was trying to make - it is a far, far different thing to impose gun control upon the people, who, by and large, already don't arm themselves like the US does. The US has something like 89 guns per 100 households. Trying to bring that down to British levels is asking a lot and perhaps has never been done without some kind of a major revolution then a subsequent consilience leading to a civilized country. How many countries have there been with an 89% ownership? Other than the US, most of these others seem to have been short-lived primitive brutish regimes. But I could be wrong, vis'a'vis Switzerland.

Faith writes: On the contrary, I have found you one of the most frightened persons in this forum. I worry that your fears are eating you apart on the inside. I hope you will find solace.You need to relax, perhaps even smoke a joint or two. You've got your god on your side, nice and safe - what could wrong for you?

God has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Faith says: Says you.Even Jesus, himself, has been recorded in the Bible as being so callous as to not permit one of his brand new Followers even the time of day to bury his own dead father.All you do is cherry-pick and paraphrase when it suits your mindset, just like I did right there. Did you see that? It is a callow technique. Quote-mining is a form of lying. The two of us should stop this right now.You seem to be riding in on some tragically broken horse and twisting everything calmly & carefully explained to you. This may be because you have been brought up in a way that has blinded you from seeing and instead sucked you into embracing perhaps the biggest charlatan game in all of human history. Twisted & fed indeed. While I may indeed fear for your quality of life as it unfolds, you are the one who is the most frightened here and in need. We (meaning most, if not all, of us here in EvC) want you to be well and get better.ForEverYoung, for as much as he has described his own excruciating troubles in his own vivid words here, has got nothing on you, babe. And he needs our love as well. You need to establish some kind of EvC street cred, 'cause right now you aint got none. You can do it. I know you can. It is a personal prayer of mine. Talk to ForEverYoung off line maybe. Probably better to not talk to me - for deep in my heart I know there is no help I can bring. Everything changes, everything passes...

ICANT writes: Has anyone else here looked at nomic?From the site:

LOL good one, Faith.

Theodoric asks: Actually I have had intimate experience with gang initiation. It is no joke. My own younger son was awesome in thwarting them. Without a gun. No joke. Probably TMI.

Text in the bare link says it.10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down – Mother JonesHard to dispute?

Percy writes: Sorry, let me put on my CrashFrog helmet and humbly ask:"Can you list some of these countries that have significantly reduced gun ownership rates? Two countries? How about even one?"It would be a heckuva lot easier to go from 11% to 10%, compared to going from 89% to 10%, wouldn't it? What would be significant?