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hooah212002
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Message 2726 of 5179 (732677)
07-09-2014 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 2703 by jar
07-09-2014 8:07 AM


You're kidding, right?
And remember, the goal when you shoot someone is not to kill them but to stop a behavior.
Gun handling 1 oh fucking 1: only aim at something you want to kill. Guns aren't toys. Guns aren't behavior modification tools. Guns are weapons designed to kill.
And you expect us to think you, and marc9000 who wants to kill horny teenage boys, that you are responsible gun owners? You are proving to be quite the opposite. You are a danger to us all.

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Message 2728 of 5179 (732680)
07-09-2014 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2727 by jar
07-09-2014 7:56 PM


Re: Remedial gun handling
but in self defense that is NOT the goal.
It doesn't matter that you do not wish for that to be the end result. What matters is that a responsible gun owner only aims at something he/she intends to kill because that is what a gun is for. if you want a less lethal option for self defense because you don't want to kill, use something not designed for killing. Maybe a stun gun or something.
That you are a self professed gun lover and don't know this or weren't taught it is quite shocking.
The person I aim a gun at needs to be fully aware that his actions, his (or her) behavior could well result in his or her death.
No, jar, YOU need to realize that because the fucking gun is in YOUR hands. YOU are the arbiter of death in that case. Go take some gun handling classes for real. Your attitude about weapons is dangerous as hell.
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Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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Message 2730 of 5179 (732683)
07-09-2014 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2729 by jar
07-09-2014 8:31 PM


Re: Remedial gun handling
Recall what you said when I initially responded to you about this:
jar writes:
And remember, the goal when you shoot someone is not to kill them but to stop a behavior.
Don't start being a pedant now because you know what you said and you know where the disagreement lies. You aim at something you intend to kill. If you don't intend to kill it, don't aim a gun at it. Irresponsible gun owners use loaded weapons simply for threatening people. Scared chicken shit pussies use loaded weapons simply for threatening people. Guns are tools to kill. The idea that you have a gun ought to be enough of a threat and the actual use of which should be to kill. Only a mindless idiot would wave a gun around hoping people get scared and not actually intend to kill with it.
I spent 5 years with an M-16 as an extension of my own right arm, so it's not like I am some gun hating liberal douche that has a hard on for stealing your precious toys away (because that's all they are to you, toys).
Keep digging your grave because you aren't making a very good case for you being a responsible gun owner. Seriously though. Go take some weapons handling classes. You need it.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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hooah212002
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Message 2732 of 5179 (732685)
07-09-2014 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 2731 by jar
07-09-2014 8:50 PM


Re: Remedial gun handling
No, when I aim at something in a defensive situation I intend to stop a behavior. I do not intend to kill anyone.
Then you are ignorant of the purpose of a firearm and need to take classes to learn about their uses. Guns are not behavior modification tools (for the third time now), they are weapons designed with the sole intent to kill. You repeating that only solidifies my point that you are actually doing harm to your cause, not bolstering it.
But we're just going round and round now, aren't we? You are an irresponsible gun owner, plain and simple.
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I agree that I would not use a gun to threaten someone. That is just silly.
Then what is it you call using a gun not to kill but to stop a behavior?
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Message 2740 of 5179 (732761)
07-10-2014 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2739 by New Cat's Eye
07-10-2014 2:57 PM


Re: Remedial gun handling
You could call it: "Shooting them in the leg."
Sorry, I have a hard time believing civilians with no combat training or experience that have also admitted their weapons are for self defense in a high stress situations where they are fearful for their safety and well-being are able to aim where they point their weapon and strike the assailant in the leg. Soldiers have a hard enough time reacting quickly to high stress situations and they handle their weapon daily and realize it is a tool designed to kill and not some toy to collect. Both jar and marc9000 have admitted that they use their gun for irrational responses where their feelings dictate who lives and dies *(shooting a horny teenage boy???).
but that doesn't mean that you cannot point your gun at someone without intending to kill them.
yes, physically, you can point your gun wherever you want. Technically, you can aim wherever you want. I was talking about what responsible gun owners do.
I don't think that purpose defines intent, so to say that a gun is designed to kill therefore your intent has to be to kill is a bad argument.
I am not making an argument, I am telling you proper gun handling procedure from actual, proper, gun handling experts. Aim at what you want to kill. end of discussion. If you point a weapon at something, you better be ready to kill it. Otherwise, don't point a gun at it. It's really not a matter of opinion.
so just because that's the training you got doesn't mean its the training that everyone gets.
I get that. And from the sounds of it, y'all get no training whatsoever. That worries me because that means that all these gun nuts shoot based on quick, uninformed and untrained decisions out of fear. That is how innocent or undeserving people die.
You're right that you shouldn't point your gun at someone if you're not willing to kill them, but that doesn't mean that you cannot point it at them without intending to kill them.
Just like just because I shouldn't drink rat poison doesn't mean I cannot drink rat poison.
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Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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