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Topic: Gun Control Again
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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It didn't help
Correct. That is what happens when the Germany army meets legally armed Polish civilians. 2.5 million Polish die and Germany takes over their country. Which side are you actually arguing for? 
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 671 of 5179 (685219)
12-21-2012 5:58 AM
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Guns are worse than cars
This is an interesting read: http://www.vpc.org/studies/gunsvscars.pdf
- Alaska: 104 gun deaths, 84 motor vehicle deaths
- Arizona: 856 gun deaths, 809 motor vehicle deaths
- Colorado: 583 gun deaths, 565 motor vehicle deaths
- Indiana: 735 gun deaths, 715 motor vehicle deaths
- Michigan: 1,095 gun deaths, 977 motor vehicle deaths
- Nevada: 406 gun deaths, 255 motor vehicle deaths
- Oregon: 417 gun deaths, 394 motor vehicle deaths
- Utah: 260 gun deaths, 256 motor vehicle deaths
- Virginia: 836 gun deaths, 827 motor vehicle deaths
- Washington: 623 gun deaths, 580 motor vehicle deaths
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While motor vehicle-related deaths are on the decline as the result of a successful decades long public health-based injury prevention strategy, firearm deaths continue unabated...
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 672 of 5179 (685220)
12-21-2012 6:06 AM
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Would this be enough?
How about non-lethal weapons? Non-lethal weapon - Wikipedia
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Non-lethal weapons, also called less-lethal weapons, less-than-lethal weapons, non-deadly weapons, compliance weapons, or pain-inducing weapons are weapons intended to be less likely to kill a living target than are conventional weapons. It is often understood that accidental, incidental, and correlative casualties are risked wherever force is applied, but non-lethal weapons try to minimise the risk as much as possible. Non-lethal weapons are used in combat situations to limit the escalation of conflict where employment of lethal force is prohibited or undesirable, where rules of engagement require minimum casualties, or where policy restricts the use of conventional force.
Would you give up your guns in exchange for a taser or a bean-bag firing gun? Would rubber bullets be a satisfactory replacement? Would the 'home defence' gun advocates be ok with changing to non-lethal guns? Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 799 of 5179 (685726)
12-25-2012 10:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 794 by kofh2u
12-25-2012 12:51 PM
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Re: ...one idiot to another....
kofh2u writes: Check it out. 70% is a conservative estimates.
Yes - it is a Conservative estimate. But what is the true value? I realise that you prefer to make shit up, but perhaps you could make an exception this time?
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 812 of 5179 (685778)
12-26-2012 8:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 802 by kofh2u
12-26-2012 11:32 AM
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Re: ...one idiot to another....
Your graph does not say that 70% of black Americans are on welfare (nor does it say that 67% of black Americans are on welfare). I realise that you prefer to make shit up, and it seems you are unable to make an exception this time. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 831 of 5179 (685861)
12-27-2012 5:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 827 by crashfrog
12-27-2012 4:41 PM
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Re: ...one idiot to another....
CF writes: And in the meantime you've eliminated basically any possibility of regular people from participating in their own defense against armed criminals. As we've seen in the UK that doesn't work well for society.
More lies. Repetitive, boring lies. *yawn*
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 859 of 5179 (685914)
12-27-2012 10:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 834 by crashfrog
12-27-2012 6:05 PM
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Re: ...one idiot to another....
I accept the tacit acknowledgement of your lies. I guess there's no way to stop you lying - so I will simply continue to point out your lies.
Crashfrog writes: "Fuck those children", right, Panda?
Your utter contempt for the lives of children has been noted. Well - at least this time you are being honest.
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 872 of 5179 (685938)
12-28-2012 9:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 861 by crashfrog
12-27-2012 11:04 PM
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Re: ...one idiot to another....
Crashfrog writes: Just so we're explicitly clear, are you calling me a liar? Please be specific.
You repeatedly post lies: what does that make you? And this whole "Did you call me a liar!" is just another red-herring to distract us from your complete inability to support your claims. You have even stooped to demanding that people prove you wrong. That alone should be enough to convince most people of your lack of debating honesty.
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 874 of 5179 (685949)
12-28-2012 10:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 873 by crashfrog
12-28-2012 9:37 AM
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Re: ...one idiot to another....
crashfrog writes: I've presented ample evidence for my positions, defended it from attack, and raised questions about the positions of my opponents that they've not been able to satisfactorily address.
And you have also posted lies. Remember: it is the lies that make you describe yourself as a liar. Posting a graph does not negate the lies that you also post. Raising questions does not make your lies magically 'poof' in to non-existence. If you want people to stop calling you a liar, then stop posting lies. No doubt you will now go all the way around in a circle and say "But what lies have I told!?!". So, to cut that off at the pass, we go back to: Message 831.
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 880 of 5179 (685980)
12-28-2012 12:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 875 by crashfrog
12-28-2012 10:11 AM
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Re: ...one idiot to another....
Crashfrog writes: quote:
More lies.
Repetitive, boring lies.
*yawn*
That's your message in its entirety.
Even that is a lie. The irony!!
Crashfrog writes: What statements did I make that were actually lies? Be specific.
If you weren't now trapped in a lie about what I had posted, you would be able to answer that question. tbh: you are started to look a little deranged.
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 886 of 5179 (685994)
12-28-2012 1:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 881 by crashfrog
12-28-2012 12:33 PM
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Re: ...one idiot to another....
crashfrog writes: "TBH"? I don't follow.
It relates to honesty. Probably not something you are interested in.
crashfrog writes: And again, you're seeing anger or emotion or something where none exists.
No - I used the word 'deranged'. You can look it up, if you want. Edited by Panda, : Removed all references to crashfrog's lies, as per Admin request.
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 972 of 5179 (686156)
12-29-2012 1:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 960 by Coyote
12-29-2012 10:30 AM
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Re: California gun sales jump; gun injuries, deaths fall
California gun sales jump; gun injuries, deaths fall By Phillip Reese Two caveats: State figures track gun sales, not ownership. They treat a family's first gun purchase the same as a collector's twelfth. Second, gun sales in California peaked in the early 1990s, as violent crime also peaked. http://www.sacbee.com/.../california-gun-sales-increase.html Just completing your quote.
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Re: Statistical Blindness
xongsmith writes: But back to my point of removing obvious outliers - if statistical practice is to be followed, then the USA point must be thrown out of the analysis.
Why are you wanting to remove the USA outlier? I didn't think outliers had to be removed - I thought they only needed to be checked that they were accurate and legitimate.
xongsmith writes: But if the USA point is thrown out, then how can the result be used to analyze the USA situation?
If my statement above is correct, then the answer is: don't throw out the USA point.
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Re: Statistical Blindness
xongsmith writes: But notice if you remove the USA point that what you have at the lower left is a cloud of data with a bad r-squared. How can that cloud have much of any significance to say about the USA point?
Yes. If you remove data points you will get a different looking graph. Personally, I would suggest plugging the data from other years in to the chart. Maybe Percy will get the time to do that.
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 1192 of 5179 (686869)
01-04-2013 9:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 1189 by Percy
01-04-2013 8:54 PM
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Re: Statistical Blindness
Percy writes: It is amazing how completely unaware you seem to be that only a strong paranoia could lead someone to believe that everyone's always misrepresenting him.
He isn't aware that his avatar is not actually a frog, so I expect that self-awareness is still a long way off.
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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