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Bliyaal
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Message 4017 of 5179 (766100)
08-11-2015 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 4016 by New Cat's Eye
08-11-2015 2:12 PM


Well you argued that was what they did when they proposed the 19th amendment and didn't see you going against it like you do with your love of guns. You said they considired it a natural right even if they didn't have it. Was it a natural right or not in your mind?
Your mental gymnastics are hard to follow, especially when you refuse to respond to arguments.

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Bliyaal
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Posts: 171
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Message 4019 of 5179 (766104)
08-11-2015 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 4018 by New Cat's Eye
08-11-2015 2:33 PM


I'm taking a break. You do everything you can to get on the nerves of people here with you evasion tactics and I need to relax before I get suspended.
Meanwhile, you could go read my posts and actually reply to them. You want me to stick to write? Maybe you should start writing then.

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Bliyaal
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From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada
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Message 4024 of 5179 (766123)
08-12-2015 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 4022 by Percy
08-11-2015 4:48 PM


He dismissed most of my arguments without even taking a stab at it. Why should I bother?

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Bliyaal
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From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada
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Message 4051 of 5179 (766196)
08-14-2015 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 4027 by Percy
08-12-2015 8:40 AM


Re: Thwarting Crime vs. Injury and Death
I know it happened 3 years ago but fortunately we don't have to deal with tragic events like that often thanks to a good regulation.
Quebec man faces manslaughter charges after shooting death of toddler
What's interesting is that it's exactly what you described : A scared woman, we add a gun for safety and the result is a tragic accident. Details we learned later told us that the man was an experienced shooter, he knew how to handle a gun. Sorry I can't find a more recent english article right now. If you understand french, google Nicolas Lacroix.

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Bliyaal
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From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada
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Message 4056 of 5179 (766206)
08-14-2015 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 4055 by New Cat's Eye
08-14-2015 1:15 PM


Re: Thwarting Crime vs. Injury and Death
How on earth do you make the jump between breaking into a house and a huge threat to your life?
Self-defense is about identifying the level of the threat and act accordingly. You would know that if you had taken a self-defense course instead of shooting a gun.
In this case, breaking into a house isn't a threat until the intruder actually threatens you. I thought that was obvious... Shooting at him is totally exagerated in that context.
There are many ways they could have solved that without or with minimal violence.
Example 1 :
- Call the police
- Tell the intruder you just called the police
- He runs away without anything or only a couple of things, no one is harmed
Example 2 :
- Call the police
- Tell the intruder you just called the police
- He stays and mock you while taking stuff
- Use your pepper spray
- Laugh (ok that's mean...)
Example 3 :
- Call the police
- Tell the intruder you just called the police
- He becomes agressive towards you
- Now thats different but he's not yet in the "life threatening level", use force like a baseball bat (and restrain yourself), taser gun or any other non lethal weapon or martial art training you may have.
Example 4 :
- Call the police
- Tell the intruder you just called the police
- He becomes agressive towards you and pulls out a gun or a knife
- Run
I could go on all day but you should remember that lethal force is only justified in last resort.

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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2390 days)
Posts: 171
From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada
Joined: 02-17-2012


Message 4058 of 5179 (766208)
08-14-2015 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 4057 by NoNukes
08-14-2015 2:32 PM


Re: Thwarting Crime vs. Injury and Death
I agree that it was oversimplified on my part and most of the time examples 1 to 3 would be the outcome. And I would argue that even if the intruder pulls out a knife or a gun, most of the time he probably doesn't want to use it. Like I said ealier, having a gun yourself will probably only escalate the violence.
A burglar wants to steal you, not kill you. Seeing you probably makes him very affraid, you need to disarm the situation.
If he wanted to kill you he would do it at the first opporunity and wouldn't give you a chance to defend yourself.

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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2390 days)
Posts: 171
From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada
Joined: 02-17-2012


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Message 4210 of 5179 (770256)
10-02-2015 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 4195 by Pressie
10-02-2015 7:21 AM


Re: Oregon college shooter targeted Christians
She just wants, as usual, to depict christians as martyrs. It's sad to see her use this tragedy for her own purpose.

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