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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Then we blame the pretty girl for setting off the stalker? No. 'Cos that's different.
I recognize the power of the media. After all advertizing works. But the intent of advertizing is to increase sales not increase shoplifting. In this case the intent of the media was to convince a political opinion, not convince someone to go kill. Well, the intention of the conman is to make himself rich, he has no particular interest in making his victim poor. It just works out that way.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Fox Highlights Poll On Belief In Obama Conspiracy Theories That Fox Helped Perpetuate | Media Matters for America
quote: More on the link. This is typical of how Faux Noise operates -- have someone start something without factual support and then in their "news" claim that "sources say" to report it as news. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
the intention of the conman is to make himself rich, he has no particular interest in making his victim poor. Quibble. The intention of the con man is to commit fraud which is to knowingly take value from his victim thus making him poorer. So, yes, the con man has a very personal interest in making his victim poorer.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The intention of the con man is to commit fraud which is to knowingly take value from his victim thus making him poorer. So, yes, the con man has a very personal interest in making his victim poorer. Which is, of course, how banks operate ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Quibble. The intention of the con man is to commit fraud which is to knowingly take value from his victim thus making him poorer. So, yes, the con man has a very personal interest in making his victim poorer. No, his interest is in making himself richer. He wouldn't be deterred from his crime if, for example, the victim was insured and ended up no poorer. Just so long as he ends up with more money, he's happy. In the same way, I suppose that at least the more cynical sections of the right-wing media don't want to produce screaming twitching paranoid lunatics as such. It's just an inevitable consequence of their marketing strategy.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Dr. A,
As I said, quibble. We will disagree. So be it.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
Personally I find all US news questionable at this point, being more driven by big corporation bottom line profits than on journalism and honest reporting ... it's more "infotainment" these days than news. Not like Walter Cronkite or other old news shows. I agree, though I would have to go back a little further than Cronkite, I'd have to go to Chet Huntley/David Brinkley. I think it was around Cronkite's time (the Vietnam war) that the news media saw the possibilities for new ratings and revenues with sensationalism. Cronkite was known for being, shall we say, left of center.
It just seems that Faux Noise is the worst and most blatant, catering to gullibles that think (because they been told to) there is a liberal bias in reporting the news. They weren’t told, they SAW the bias. They continue to see it, that's the reason Fox News ratings continue to stay near the top. There are too many clear examples, past and present, of liberal bias in mainstream news for there to be any doubt. A couple of examples for you; MSNBC's daily lineup includes, Joe Scarborough, Chris Matthews, Al Sharpton, Ed Shultz, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell.Except possibly for Scarborough, the rest are extreme liberals, and not unlike many other lineups on many other mainstream news channels. George Stephanopoulos, a biggie at ABC, is a former cabinet member of Bill Clinton. The mid-term elections of 1994 saw surprising (to liberals, and pollsters at the time) gains in house and senate seats by Republicans. The late Peter Jennings, ABC’s main news anchor at that time, responded like this in his commentary;
quote: Best of Notable Quotables 1994 -- Media Research Center When voters elected Republicans, according to a top news reporter, they had a "temper tantrum". Actually, we see who had the temper tantrum, it was Peter Jennings. Many people with nothing but liberal news shows to watch came to realize that angry two year olds shouldn't have jobs as new anchors, either. 1994 was right around the time Fox News was coming into being. No one needed to be told that Peter Jennings had liberal bias, they could see his liberal bias for themselves. Media Matters main reason for existence is to put down Fox News, to garner attention and revenue for itself by trying to make its gullible audience believe that it has the power to "stop" Fox News.
Faux News Occupy and other myths -- two posts with enough to start. Fox news = false news -- earlier thread exposing Faux Noise lies. Still doesn’t even come close to an attempt to rig a crash test with explosives, to sway a major court opinion against a major corporation. I wonder what the extent of the hysterical reaction would be if Fox news used explosives for anything at all?
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
Do you have any examples? Why sure, I have one, which is all I need to show how easily it can happen.
quote: Kent State shootings - Wikipedia The 1970 news media hated Richard Nixon. If you want to believe that college students, in their vast stores of teenage knowledge and experience, thought they knew better than Nixon did about foreign policy all by themselves without being egged on by liberals in the news media, then go ahead. But the simple fact is that at least some of the frenzy on that college campus was inspired by news media sensationalism, and people WERE KILLED. (in this case, by government bullets)
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
If you and I both know about something that happened 20 years ago, in my case when I was a teenager and living in another country, then I think we can say that it has received extensive public exposure. Hmm, strange, I thought you were a teenager now. "Knowing about" something in no way determines what the extent of its public exposure was.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
I had not heard Ventura's talk and I'm not going to defend anything he says. Further, I don't believe NPR's job is to counter whatever sensationalism is found in other media. They are responsible for only their own reporting. I agree - they’re a comparatively small segment of the news media, not really capable of having serious look at what action can be taken to correct problems with sensationalism in news reporting. So my earlier point that that discussion isn't properly taking place still stands.
I'm not going to bother with this. You don't listen to NPR, yet you've already made up your mind about what is covered there without having done so. Further, I'm not bothered by the fact that you don't like discussion of gun control. The question is whether there is coverage without sensationalism. The same way you do with Ventura. The same way most people do who put down Fox News without ever watching/listening to it. It always seems like I have to field accusations of "you don’t watch/listen to my source, so how do you know" all the while watching Fox News getting put down by those who never watch it. Not much more to be said about that.
Something funny is going on with the way your apostrophe's register on my browser. I don't see that same problem with everyone else's messages. Apologies - my steam powered unit tends to do that to me. I’ll work on cleaning that up.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
Your proposal was for the government to tax news based on content. Not content, but an unpredictable, quick profit.
That power would result in discouraging certain content. I don't want the government to have control over news reporting, particularly when the thing I want reported on most is the government. That's a good point, would it be possible for the news media to be policed by government without the government mandating that some government activity be barred from exposure? I think it would be possible, but not easy.
I apologize for not providing more detail, but I thought the rationale behind the first amendment was quite basic and well understood. As many people feel that the rationale behind the second amendment is basic and well understood. It was that way for the first 3/4, maybe the first 4/5 of the nations history, then the "progressives" started claiming that times have changed, that people don’t need to hunt anymore, that civilian militias aren't an issue anymore, that we don’t live in the wild west anymore, and it's time for the second amendment to lose some of its basics and understanding. In news reporting, times have changed. It’s gone from the responsible journalism that went on during the times of Huntley/Brinkley, the assassination of President Kennedy, (there was practically no mention of gun control during coverage of the Kennedy killing) to today's combination of news reporting and entertainment. Is it really necessary to go into detail about how much communication and advertising have changed in the past 50 years?
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
This is typical of how Faux Noise operates -- have someone start something without factual support and then in their "news" claim that "sources say" to report it as news. I don’t completely agree with it, but other networks all do similar things to prominent Republicans, Quayle and Gingrich come to mind. Obama is the president, if there is a valid suspicion about Obama's background, and if other news sources ignore it, someone should cover it. The details of the Benghazi Attack were far more thoroughly covered by Fox News than by any other network, as only one example.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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But the simple fact is that at least some of the frenzy on that college campus was inspired by news media sensationalism, and people WERE KILLED. Bullshit. I was at Iowa protesting, overturning cars, burning flags just like thousands of others from sea to shining sea. It was not the media. It was the fucking war. Pull your head out of your ass.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I don’t completely agree with it, but other networks all do similar things to prominent Republicans, Quayle and Gingrich come to mind. Examples?
Obama is the president, if there is a valid suspicion about Obama's background ... But it's not valid. If Fox News have a duty to boost Birthers, then they would also have had a duty to boost 9/11 Truthers. They had their suspicions, and no-one else in the media was taking it seriously ... so why didn't Fox News step up?
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
AZPaul3 writes:
It was the fucking war. Damn straight. If you are not old enough to remember, well, so it goes. The veterans of the Vietnam War are still TO THIS DAY being used. The ones who did not go are still being used. We, the 99%, are still all being used. Cue my buddy, the Dronester.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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