Who Made God?

Who made God? Christian theology says God has always existed, so no one made God.

Who made God? God didn't have a beginning, so no one made God; He has always existed.

jar writes: Humans created the God of Genesis 2&3 and much later humans created the God of Genesis 1. Even earlier humans created Ganesha and Ra and Nut and Horus and Saturn and Hypnos and Eros. Later humans created Allah.

So why, after reading about all these other gods, did I dismiss them as fables and accept the Bible as the truth?

Tanypteryx writes: Fiction

Where did the energy and matter that makes up the universe come from?

jar writes: But you are not me and I am a Christian. And the fact remains that all of the Gods and gods that we can and have ever described are simply human creations.

You are a "Christian" but you don't believe that God exists?

Theodoric writes: No one knows. There are some ideas and hypotheses but no one knows. Just because no one knows does not mean godidit.

If energy and matter had a beginning, what did they come from? Nothing?

If energy and matter didn't have a beginning, they must have always existed.

jar writes: I am a Christian and know that every God or god described in or by any religion is a creation of the human mind.

Thanks ... for repeating yourself. Do you believe that Jesus is the Third Person of the Trinity, that he died on the cross for our sins and that he was bodily resurrected to life three days later?

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Tangle writes: We'll let you know if/when we've worked it out

I won't be holding my breath ... for another pseudo-scientific theory that can't be tested.

You're obvioulsy not a Christian.

jar writes: I am a Christian

What qualifies you as a Christian?

ringo writes: What qualifies you to ask?

What qualifies you to ask that?

Matthew 7:7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

“Is it not those inside the Church whom you are to judge?” (1Cor 5:12)

it isn't up to you to decide.

“do not trust every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God … By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not of God. This is the spirit of antichrist” (1John 4:1-3)

jar writes: I was born into a Christian Family, raised as a Christian, Baptized in the Rite of Baptism, Confirmed in the Rite of Confirmation, educated in a Christian School and a registered member of a recognized Christian Denomination.

So was my brother-in-law … and now he’s a rabid atheist. So, an atheist can also be a Christian?

I noticed you didn’t try and qualify yourself by mentioning any of your “Christian” beliefs … which is hardly surprising, since you probably have none.
But in the unlikely case that you do have any Christian beliefs, what are they? For example, who was Jesus? Do you even believe Jesus was a real person?

“ These people really did not belong to our fellowship, and that is why they left us; if they had belonged to our fellowship, they would have stayed with us. But they left so that it might be clear that none of them really belonged to us. (1John 2:19)

I am a Christian.

I seriously doubt it.

jar writes: My beliefs are, surprisingly my beliefs and have been outlined at EvC in detail … I do believe that Jesus is GOD, but while he was here on earth He was fully man, human, just like you, just like me.

How could God ‘de-God’ Himself and became a mere creature (the man, Jesus)? How could a creature (the man, Jesus) became God? The mind boggles.

If Jesus didn’t claim his own divinity, why did he refer to himself as “something greater than the Temple” and “the “Lord of the Sabbath”; and why did the Jews accuse him of blasphemy?

John the Baptist described Jesus as “the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world” - how can a mere man possibly take away the sins of the world?

If you deny that the earthly Jesus was not God Incarnate, you are denying John 1:1-14 ...
“The Word was God … and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us … as the only-begotten Son from the Father.” That is to say, GOD dwelt among us. How do you explain “his name shall be called Emmanuel … which means, ‘God with us’” (Matt 1:23)?

ringo writes: You're always out of line to say somebody isn't a Christian. Judge not.

You clearly don’t understand judgement as it applies within Christianity. Christians are not entitled to judge a person’s soul - as in “You are an evil person and you’re going to hell” - as only God can judge a person’s soul. But a Christian is allowed to judge the deeds, words and beliefs of other Christians according the norms of Christian doctrine - as in “What you believe or what you are doing/saying is wrong/evil/unChristian.”

For example, Jehovah’s Witnesses aren’t considered to be authentic Christians because they deny the divinity of Jesus. In the same vein, Christians are entitled to judge and call out someone like jar, who claims to be a “Christian”, but denies a core Christian doctrine such as the divinity of the earthly Jesus.

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jar writes: Yet that is exactly what is affirmed in the Nicene Creed. Beginning with the original version formulated in 325 AD which said "Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man;" and continuing throughout Christian history to the current version which is: For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man.

Your interpretation of the Nicene Creed is childishly superficial, misinformed and false. It’s also fundamentally irrational: How could God stop being God and become a mere creature - the man, Jesus? This is as absurd as your other contention, that a mere man - Jesus - became God!

The various authors of the New Testament stories made quite a few claims.

Oh, so you know better than the gospel authors, who wrote under in inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Your claim to being “a Christian” is getting more laughable but the minute.
“But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8-9).

Btw, I notice you didn’t bother to answer any of the theological questions in my earlier post. That’s hardly surprising - your false theology is so easily refuted.

I simply honestly support the basics of the Christian faith

You’re delusional. The divinity of the earthly Jesus is the most basic Christians belief. As the Catechism of the Catholic Church says, “Belief in the true Incarnation [ie, Jesus was truly God and truly human] of the Son of God is the distinctive sign of Christian faith” (#463). To deny that core doctrine is to declare yourself a heretic, at the very least. Worse, according to the following verses, it makes you “antichrist”:
“Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. Anyone who denies the Son does not have the Father.” (1John 2:22-23)
“For many deceivers have gone out into the world, men who will not acknowledge the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh; such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.” (2John 7)
” Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist” - 1John 4:1-3 “.

Can someone who qualifies as “antichrist” also be a Christian? Of course not!

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