Explain one more time the difference between GOD, God, and god.
GOD, if GOD exists simply is complete.
God is a little more specific yet still amorphous. You can talk about The Christian God or the Hebrew God or the Hindu Gods or the Islamic God but that doesn't tell us much at all since there is still no such unique specific thing.
Then we get to god where there can be specificity. There is the god from Genesis 1 and the god from Genesis 2 and Ganesha and Thor and Allah and the god Faith markets and the god Spruel marketed and the god MacArthur marketed and the god you like and Coyote and Turtle and ...
Also, do you believe that God, as marketed by Christians, is an improvement on the earlier ideas?
Again, there is no God marketed by Christians but only gods.
And no, I do not think the god most Christians market is an improvement on anything.
Re: The true threat from the folk like Faith is clear.
Gosh you really ran with that didn't you? By twisting my meaning of course. Because what I meant is that unbelieving scholars should not be given any AUTHORITY over the Bible.
It seems you are fluent in Newspeak Faith.
But there is a bigger problem.
A scholar who believes that the Bible is as it appears, just the work of man filled with contradictions, factual errors, myth, fantasy and ambiguity is still a believer in the Bible.
And no one has a clue what you mean by "given any AUTHORITY over the Bible" so you have some 'splainin to do.
Maybe you mean no one who does not believe what YOU believe perhaps?
And you know, just tit for tatting me doesn't change the fact that you hate God, Christ and Christians, and all your claim to BE a Christian is itself evil.
And it does not matter how many times you repeat your lies, the fact remains that I actually am a Christian and a member of a real recognized Protestant Christian denomination; that I do not hate God or Christ or Christians.
I will admit that the God you market is a pitiful picayune playground bully unworthy of worship. respect or even consideration and should simply be disciplined like any other pitiful kid trying to look fearsome.
Re: The true threat from the folk like Faith is clear.
Faith, you're back to one liners again that say nothing.
How did anything I posted prove your point?
You need to stop simply making silly assertions and actually provide support for your position. Remember, it's easy on this board to actually follow a conversation to see that you are actually never providing anything in the way of support or evidence.
If you're going to put that demonic nonsense on a par with the Bible the conversation has bcome too irrational to continue.
The reality though is that the Hindu Vedas have a longer history than the Bible and the Quran has greater consistency, authority and fewer contradictions than the Bible. There is but one Quran while there is a different Bible depending on which Canon is determinate. Just as with Christianity there are different Chapters of Club Islam, unlike Christianity they all have the exact same Quran while the Christian Canons vary from just five books to over 80 books.
As I pointed out, there is no such thing as "The Christian Bible™" rather different branches of Christianity have decided that different books are canonical. There is no single Bible accepted by all of Christianity.
In Islam, regardless of the sect, there is but one Quran.
The stories in the Christian Bibles are for the most part written, edited and redacted by anonymous individuals.
In Islam there is only a single source for the Quran, Mohamed.
The Vedas predate any Christian Bibles as do the writings of Confucius or Mencius and the teachings of the Buddha.
You do understand that you changed the topic completely don't you Phat?
Consider this starting point.
In his garage, he says, is something(SomeOne) who is greater and more powerful than any human or any invention of humanity. The presence will take him wherever he needs to go.
Now jump to the summation.
Would you ever find yourself needing a place of solitude and meditation?
Many would prefer a quiet walk in the woods or at least outdoors.
Would you believe that a psychiatrist and his cabinet of drugs would provide a better solution for your stresses and agonies than a quiet contemplative garage that had a comfortable place of solitude?
Would you trust your neighbors judgement? Why or why not?
Note you totally changed the topic from "something(SomeOne) who is greater and more powerful than any human or any invention of humanity. The presence will take him wherever he needs to go. " to a place for contemplation.
Granted the Genesis scripture is problematic. After all, who is us?
The problem is not in the Bible stories but rather in the reader.
You are still trying to find consistency in a whole host of inconsistent unrelated folk tales.
If you look for answers from the faction that tries to sell the Bible as some single consistent story; as inerrant, you will get answers made up to simply pretend the inconsistencies are not there.
Sources that begin their sales pitch with a fallacy cannot really deal with the reality of what IS written in the stories.
Throw the Inerrant Bible Snake Oil Salesmen away.
The issue disappears when you realize that the authors of many of the Old Testament stories believed there were many, many Gods. The other Gods were real, were Gods, were powerful but they were not their God(s).
The authors of the Genesis 2&3 tales had no problem with the idea that there were lots of Gods, a whole hierarchy of Gods. "Us" means me and my crew.
This gets emphasized and repeated in many of the early folk tales describing the creation of the People called Israel (as opposed to the Nation State of the same name). This is the whole purpose of the Exodus story (the creation of a Peoples with a particular God) and of Joshua (the defining of the area that was under the dominion of that God).
I am the Lord Thy God. Thou shalt have no other Gods Before Me.
This defines a specific god, a god that is distinct from the other Gods, a God that has dominion over a particular peoples and later a particular piece of land. That is why in the much later 2 Kings 5 story of Naaman the God Rimmon is to be treated with courtesy and why Naaman needs the earth from Israel since he was in an area, a land, where Rimmon was Dominate and so a piece of the land where the Israeli God was Dominate was needed to bring the influence and power with it.
Again, there is no "God of the Bible" rather there is the God imagined by the authors of Genesis 2&3 and God imagined by the authors of Exodus and God imagined by the authors of Joshua and much much later the God imagined by the authors of Genesis 1.
But my question to you both is this: Why pantheism? Why not monotheism?
What difference does it make whether you create one God or many Gods?
Monotheism was an evolutionary creation. If you look at the Gods of the Bible you find that the early creations are a pantheon of Gods, each over a particular peoples and geographic area.
But that is not what LNA is trying to present. He is simply pointing out that the Christian Concept of the Trinity as a Unity really makes little or no sense and that over time Christianity itself has declared that all the possible ways for it to make any sense are heretical.
That's just another example of Christian Dogma shooting itself in the foot, something it does really well.
Really read what Paul wrote instead of the pieces parts that get taken out of context.
Also really read what is said by others in the Bible stories about the Damascus Road incident; the account changes dramatically over time and repetition. Luke itself contains three different mutually exclusive accounts of the event. Paul himself in Galatians posts yet another entirely different and contradictory story.
In addition, Paul's basic nature never changes. He is still the zealot he was before.
In addition, Acts excludes Paul from being an Apostle.
Paul describes God in a way that makes sense.
All the descriptions of God in all religions make sense. That is simply true. What I imagine you mean is that you like some of the descriptions of God that Paul markets even though like all modern God marketeers he sell only the sizzle and not the steak. He claims the God he is selling is knowable but never tells how to tell if it is really God or a bad burrito.
Re: The Soma ("body" of Christ in the Greek) a soul of God (and the matter of universe?)
As usual you are simply posting bullshit.
There is no way you or anyone else can factually say "Science has not and can not discover the origin of the universe."
You then go on to show your ignorance by saying an irrelevant statement like "There is no scientific data until T=10-43 s. " when the factual statement would be "There is no scientific data until T=10-43 s at this time."