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Message 122 of 752 (825704)
12-17-2017 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Thugpreacha
12-17-2017 11:18 AM


Re: GOD God and god Remix
Phat writes:

Explain one more time the difference between GOD, God, and god.

GOD, if GOD exists simply is complete.

God is a little more specific yet still amorphous. You can talk about The Christian God or the Hebrew God or the Hindu Gods or the Islamic God but that doesn't tell us much at all since there is still no such unique specific thing.

Then we get to god where there can be specificity. There is the god from Genesis 1 and the god from Genesis 2 and Ganesha and Thor and Allah and the god Faith markets and the god Spruel marketed and the god MacArthur marketed and the god you like and Coyote and Turtle and ...

Phat writes:

Also, do you believe that God, as marketed by Christians, is an improvement on the earlier ideas?

Again, there is no God marketed by Christians but only gods.

And no, I do not think the god most Christians market is an improvement on anything.


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Message 131 of 752 (825773)
12-17-2017 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by PaulK
12-17-2017 3:43 PM


The true threat from the folk like Faith is clear.
PaulK writes:

Faith writes:


They should not be allowed to say anything about the Bible.

Because you can’t have people actually understanding the Bible.

And there we see the true colors, the true evil of Faith and her Fellow Travelers; they oppose Free Speech, Reality, Honesty and the Constitution.

In the Name of the God she created all others who do not follow Faith's Law should be silenced.


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Message 134 of 752 (825776)
12-17-2017 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Faith
12-17-2017 4:20 PM


Re: The true threat from the folk like Faith is clear.
Faith writes:

Gosh you really ran with that didn't you? By twisting my meaning of course. Because what I meant is that unbelieving scholars should not be given any AUTHORITY over the Bible.

It seems you are fluent in Newspeak Faith.

But there is a bigger problem.

A scholar who believes that the Bible is as it appears, just the work of man filled with contradictions, factual errors, myth, fantasy and ambiguity is still a believer in the Bible.

And no one has a clue what you mean by "given any AUTHORITY over the Bible" so you have some 'splainin to do.

Maybe you mean no one who does not believe what YOU believe perhaps?

Faith writes:

And you know, just tit for tatting me doesn't change the fact that you hate God, Christ and Christians, and all your claim to BE a Christian is itself evil.

And it does not matter how many times you repeat your lies, the fact remains that I actually am a Christian and a member of a real recognized Protestant Christian denomination; that I do not hate God or Christ or Christians.

I will admit that the God you market is a pitiful picayune playground bully unworthy of worship. respect or even consideration and should simply be disciplined like any other pitiful kid trying to look fearsome.

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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Message 138 of 752 (825780)
12-17-2017 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Faith
12-17-2017 5:12 PM


Re: The true threat from the folk like Faith is clear.
Faith, you're back to one liners again that say nothing.

How did anything I posted prove your point?

You need to stop simply making silly assertions and actually provide support for your position. Remember, it's easy on this board to actually follow a conversation to see that you are actually never providing anything in the way of support or evidence.

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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Message 157 of 752 (825983)
12-20-2017 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Faith
12-19-2017 6:26 PM


Re: Play Fair
Faith writes:

If you're going to put that demonic nonsense on a par with the Bible the conversation has bcome too irrational to continue.

The reality though is that the Hindu Vedas have a longer history than the Bible and the Quran has greater consistency, authority and fewer contradictions than the Bible. There is but one Quran while there is a different Bible depending on which Canon is determinate. Just as with Christianity there are different Chapters of Club Islam, unlike Christianity they all have the exact same Quran while the Christian Canons vary from just five books to over 80 books.

Edited by jar, : then ----> than


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Message 162 of 752 (825990)
12-20-2017 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Faith
12-20-2017 12:08 PM


Re: Play Fair
Faith writes:

Not for anybody but you.

Yet the facts remain true Faith.

As I pointed out, there is no such thing as "The Christian Bible™" rather different branches of Christianity have decided that different books are canonical. There is no single Bible accepted by all of Christianity.

In Islam, regardless of the sect, there is but one Quran.

The stories in the Christian Bibles are for the most part written, edited and redacted by anonymous individuals.

In Islam there is only a single source for the Quran, Mohamed.

The Vedas predate any Christian Bibles as do the writings of Confucius or Mencius and the teachings of the Buddha.

Reality is Faith, as much as you like to deny it.

Edited by jar, : fro ----> for


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Message 175 of 752 (826292)
12-28-2017 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by Thugpreacha
12-28-2017 9:06 AM


Re: Here In My Car
You do understand that you changed the topic completely don't you Phat?

Consider this starting point.

Phat writes:

In his garage, he says, is something(SomeOne) who is greater and more powerful than any human or any invention of humanity. The presence will take him wherever he needs to go.

Now jump to the summation.

Phat writes:

  • Would you ever find yourself needing a place of solitude and meditation?
  • Many would prefer a quiet walk in the woods or at least outdoors.
  • Would you believe that a psychiatrist and his cabinet of drugs would provide a better solution for your stresses and agonies than a quiet contemplative garage that had a comfortable place of solitude?

Would you trust your neighbors judgement? Why or why not?

Note you totally changed the topic from "something(SomeOne) who is greater and more powerful than any human or any invention of humanity. The presence will take him wherever he needs to go. " to a place for contemplation.


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Message 185 of 752 (826441)
01-01-2018 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by Thugpreacha
01-01-2018 2:31 AM


there really is no problem there Phat.
Phat writes:

Granted the Genesis scripture is problematic. After all, who is us?

The problem is not in the Bible stories but rather in the reader.

You are still trying to find consistency in a whole host of inconsistent unrelated folk tales.

If you look for answers from the faction that tries to sell the Bible as some single consistent story; as inerrant, you will get answers made up to simply pretend the inconsistencies are not there.

Sources that begin their sales pitch with a fallacy cannot really deal with the reality of what IS written in the stories.

Throw the Inerrant Bible Snake Oil Salesmen away.

The issue disappears when you realize that the authors of many of the Old Testament stories believed there were many, many Gods. The other Gods were real, were Gods, were powerful but they were not their God(s).

The authors of the Genesis 2&3 tales had no problem with the idea that there were lots of Gods, a whole hierarchy of Gods. "Us" means me and my crew.

This gets emphasized and repeated in many of the early folk tales describing the creation of the People called Israel (as opposed to the Nation State of the same name). This is the whole purpose of the Exodus story (the creation of a Peoples with a particular God) and of Joshua (the defining of the area that was under the dominion of that God).

I am the Lord Thy God. Thou shalt have no other Gods Before Me.

This defines a specific god, a god that is distinct from the other Gods, a God that has dominion over a particular peoples and later a particular piece of land. That is why in the much later 2 Kings 5 story of Naaman the God Rimmon is to be treated with courtesy and why Naaman needs the earth from Israel since he was in an area, a land, where Rimmon was Dominate and so a piece of the land where the Israeli God was Dominate was needed to bring the influence and power with it.

Again, there is no "God of the Bible" rather there is the God imagined by the authors of Genesis 2&3 and God imagined by the authors of Exodus and God imagined by the authors of Joshua and much much later the God imagined by the authors of Genesis 1.


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Message 188 of 752 (826444)
01-01-2018 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by Thugpreacha
01-01-2018 10:45 AM


Re: there really is no problem there Phat.
Phat writes:

But my question to you both is this:
Why pantheism? Why not monotheism?

What difference does it make whether you create one God or many Gods?

Monotheism was an evolutionary creation. If you look at the Gods of the Bible you find that the early creations are a pantheon of Gods, each over a particular peoples and geographic area.

But that is not what LNA is trying to present. He is simply pointing out that the Christian Concept of the Trinity as a Unity really makes little or no sense and that over time Christianity itself has declared that all the possible ways for it to make any sense are heretical.

That's just another example of Christian Dogma shooting itself in the foot, something it does really well.

Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed broken quote


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Message 191 of 752 (826450)
01-01-2018 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Thugpreacha
01-01-2018 11:23 AM


Re: The God We Market
Really read what Paul wrote instead of the pieces parts that get taken out of context.

Also really read what is said by others in the Bible stories about the Damascus Road incident; the account changes dramatically over time and repetition. Luke itself contains three different mutually exclusive accounts of the event. Paul himself in Galatians posts yet another entirely different and contradictory story.

In addition, Paul's basic nature never changes. He is still the zealot he was before.

In addition, Acts excludes Paul from being an Apostle.

Phat writes:

Paul describes God in a way that makes sense.

All the descriptions of God in all religions make sense. That is simply true. What I imagine you mean is that you like some of the descriptions of God that Paul markets even though like all modern God marketeers he sell only the sizzle and not the steak. He claims the God he is selling is knowable but never tells how to tell if it is really God or a bad burrito.

Edited by jar, : applin spallin

Edited by jar, : more appalin spallin


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Message 201 of 752 (826515)
01-03-2018 10:40 AM
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01-03-2018 10:18 AM


Re: The Soma ("body" of Christ in the Greek) a soul of God (and the matter of universe?)
ICANT writes:

Since you do not refute any of my opinions I will assume that you are in agreement with each statement other than the time statement which I have corrected.

Not wasting time responding to silly statements does not connote endorsement.


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Message 206 of 752 (826548)
01-04-2018 8:30 AM
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01-04-2018 8:17 AM


Re: Can You Do The Can Can?
See Message 201

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Message 209 of 752 (826576)
01-04-2018 12:27 PM
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01-04-2018 12:19 PM


Re: The Soma ("body" of Christ in the Greek) a soul of God (and the matter of universe?)
Everything you post ICANT.

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Message 213 of 752 (826589)
01-04-2018 2:27 PM
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01-04-2018 12:56 PM


Re: The Soma ("body" of Christ in the Greek) a soul of God (and the matter of universe?)
As usual you are simply posting bullshit.

There is no way you or anyone else can factually say "Science has not and can not discover the origin of the universe."

You then go on to show your ignorance by saying an irrelevant statement like "There is no scientific data until T=10-43 s. " when the factual statement would be "There is no scientific data until T=10-43 s at this time."

Really, you need to stop saying stupid things.


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Message 219 of 752 (826641)
01-05-2018 8:34 PM
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01-05-2018 8:08 PM


Re: The Soma ("body" of Christ in the Greek) a soul of God (and the matter of universe?)
More stupid things. You really should try to stop posting stupid things.

Edited by jar, : fumbl fingrs


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