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Theodoric
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Message 46 of 752 (689290)
01-29-2013 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by GDR
01-29-2013 11:54 AM


Re: Should God be slanged or kept to oneself?
There is nothing that you will accept as evidence for a god.

He probably would accept the same as I would, namely evidence.

Please provide some so we can consider whether in fact it is evidence or not.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 51 of 752 (689316)
01-29-2013 2:52 PM
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01-29-2013 2:07 PM


Re: Should God be slanged or kept to oneself?
So no evidence?

Color me surprised.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 58 of 752 (689430)
01-30-2013 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Taq
01-30-2013 4:25 PM


Re: Should God be slanged or kept to oneself?
Is it rational to believe that fire is caused by an invisible gas?

I think that it is Phlogiston. I don't care what [derision]scientists[/derision] say.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 64 of 752 (689461)
01-30-2013 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Faith
01-30-2013 8:17 PM


Re: Evidence
Sometimes small miracles still do happen. Would you consider this evidence? A Russian woman was about to be clubbed over the head by a KGB officer assigned to break up Christian meetings in the USSR, and prayed that God would forgive the young man who was about to club her. At that moment the man's arm was miraculously prevented from bringing the club down on her head and although he hated her for praying for him he fled in fear because of being prevented from hitting her. This is reported in a book called The Persecutor about that young Russian's life. He became a believer starting with that incident although it took a while. He defected to Canada in the early 70s, where the KGB eventually caught up with him and murdered him. Would you believe that testimony or not? The book is probably still available.

Anecdotes are not evidence. Nothing here is miraculous. Also, this book has been shown to not be real accurate. In actuality it looks like most of it it plainly untrue.

http://russianhistoryblog.org/...rgive-me-natasha-and-sergei


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 66 of 752 (689463)
01-30-2013 9:17 PM
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01-30-2013 8:57 PM


Re: Evidence
I don't know about the book about "Natasha," I'm talking about a book called "The Persecutor."

Are you really that incurious? Totally incapable of even the most basic research or ability to read the links?

quote:
The Persecutor, also known as Forgive Me Natasha and less commonly as Sergei, is the autobiography of Sergei Kourdakov,

The Persecutor

That it was the same author should have been something of a hint for you.

OK, you prefer to believe the debunkery, fine, you've made your choice. That's what everybody here does. Give the story of a Christian hero, what you get back here is "evidence" that the person was really a rotten human being. THAT you'll believe.

Stories ARE the evidence we're given. You believe them or you don't. You will apparently always choose the people who discredit the stories, that's what you do. They're just stories too, you know, by people with an axe to grind as well and your method of proof is belief, just as it is for Christians.

If research does not support the claims it would be stupid to believe the stories. That would define delusion.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 68 of 752 (689472)
01-30-2013 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
01-30-2013 9:26 PM


Re: Evidence
Still no evidence. Just you throwing shit against the wall to see if it sticks.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 107 of 752 (689582)
02-01-2013 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Faith
02-01-2013 5:15 AM


Re: Evidence
REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL AND YOU SHALL BE SAVED.

I believe there are internet forums for preaching. This isn't one of them.

I reject your concept of a god totally and completely. If your god existed I would tell him to fuck himself for all of the misery he has caused.

Now go to church if you want to preach.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 386 of 752 (849239)
03-01-2019 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 385 by dwise1
03-01-2019 7:32 AM


Re: The apologists defense of the literalist faith
I think a lot of us atheists have similar stories of our experiences with theists and particularly fundies. We see it here at EVC all the time. Phat does not see it but he is no different than all the other fundies.
Not only are fundies math challenged, but evidently their beliefs strip away self-awareness.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 389 of 752 (849247)
03-01-2019 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 388 by Tangle
03-01-2019 5:04 PM


Re: The apologists defense of the literalist faith
He has to if he believes in a god.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 445 of 752 (855433)
06-19-2019 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 444 by Tangle
06-19-2019 6:12 PM


Re: Not A Chance
No different than most other religious mumbo-jumbo. Word salad that actually means nothing but seems to have a soporific effect on the rubes.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 447 of 752 (855444)
06-19-2019 9:03 PM
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06-19-2019 6:00 PM


Re: Not A Chance
Prove to us that Sproul isn't just regurgitating word salad. Tell us what this spew means and how it is important.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 450 of 752 (855447)
06-19-2019 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 449 by Dredge
06-19-2019 9:20 PM


Re: Main Assertion: God is an uncaused first cause and was never made.
No one knows. There are some ideas and hypotheses but no one knows. Just because no one knows does not mean godidit.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 455 of 752 (855461)
06-19-2019 11:23 PM
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06-19-2019 10:55 PM


Re: Main Assertion: God is an uncaused first cause and was never made.
Maybe.
Do you have a point?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 471 of 752 (855501)
06-20-2019 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 457 by Thugpreacha
06-20-2019 2:25 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Do you have any ideas of your own? Maybe actually use this forum it was was meant to be used. Type your ideas or summarize others ideas that you agree with. This presenting ideas via video is worthless. Why would we want to listen to preacher spew tautologies, word salad and utter crap?
I did not listen to this joker, but if he is a preacher that is all he has to say.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 494 of 752 (855584)
06-20-2019 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 493 by Faith
06-20-2019 3:45 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Have you read the bible? Have you read the christian gospels?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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