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Message 14 of 750 (688079)
01-18-2013 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by GDR
01-18-2013 6:58 PM


Re: The question of eternal existence.
Excellent GDR. However I think ramoss may have a point.

It seems useless to show in the science one possible explanation that allows for some entity to be infinite in time when no one can show in the science that such an entity exists or could exist.

Seems to me that since the existence of some creator is born of the magic of faith it is disingenuous to try to usurp science into explaining any of its attributes.

But I do applaud your creativity.


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Message 16 of 750 (688089)
01-19-2013 12:02 AM
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01-18-2013 11:37 PM


Re: The question of eternal existence.
Beyond faith the question of who created the creator is essentially a question that can best be addressed by science.

If your best science cannot address the very existence of such a thing then how can any science address any of its attributes?

But, I see my error. If the opening axiom is "it exists" then I'm in the wrong thread and will try to gracefully bow out without further stepping on my dick.


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Message 56 of 750 (689419)
01-30-2013 3:47 PM
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01-30-2013 3:31 PM


Re: Should God be slanged or kept to oneself?
Yah, xongsmith, but how do you really feel?

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Message 433 of 750 (855350)
06-18-2019 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 427 by Faith
06-18-2019 5:45 PM


It's an abusive attitude, aimed against an ancient tradition that used to be treated with respect even by Krazy atheists. No longer.

The "no longer" is because you can't burn us at the stake anymore.


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Message 451 of 750 (855450)
06-19-2019 9:45 PM
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06-19-2019 9:16 PM


So why, after reading about all these other gods, did I dismiss them as fables and accept the Bible as the truth?

So why, after reading about all these other gods, did you dismiss them as fables and accept the Bible as the truth?


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Message 463 of 750 (855485)
06-20-2019 3:45 AM
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06-20-2019 2:57 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
but the Fall is why there is death, disease and suffering in this world.

There is death, disease and suffering in this world because of entropy. Everything changes. Everything dies. All quite natural. All quite normal.

Unfortunately this 6th mass extinction is our own doing and may very well claim us as casualties.

Compared to nature your god is a teddy bear. An ugly mean, bloodthirsty teddy bear. But Ma Nature is the absolute most bad ass killer of all time. Nothing survives her embrace. Not even gods.


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Message 465 of 750 (855489)
06-20-2019 4:02 AM
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06-20-2019 3:48 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Entropy is one of the results of the Fall.

Of course it is. So are republicans and christians.

If this were taken into account it might be possible to mitigate its effects

Mitigate the effects of entropy? You do know entropy is the flow of energy, its temporary concentration and its inevitable dispersion, right? Good luck with that.


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Message 474 of 750 (855510)
06-20-2019 11:40 AM
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06-20-2019 6:56 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Comments?

BS


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Message 483 of 750 (855547)
06-20-2019 1:04 PM
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06-20-2019 11:52 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
I like my eggs over easy but I'm having difficulty finding a spatula big enough to turn this beast.

The certainty is incomprehensible.

Which means there is no certainty.


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Message 486 of 750 (855564)
06-20-2019 1:37 PM
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06-20-2019 1:19 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
You would be wrong there. A prolonged and comprehensive absence of evidence is pretty hard evidence itself. Remember that in science a null result is evidence.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Message 488 of 750 (855567)
06-20-2019 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 487 by Faith
06-20-2019 1:44 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
You do know that Christianity is a minority religious cult, right? More than half the population of this planet, billions of your fellow human beings, think your cult is a poisonous and evil creed standing against the light and power of (insert other god here).

According to your "popularity" view they are not wrong.


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Message 490 of 750 (855577)
06-20-2019 2:44 PM
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06-20-2019 2:31 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Christianity is an evil plot by the Illiteratii to subjugate all mankind. It is a bloodthirsty cult of ignorance, violence, hate and pain. Anyone who thinks christianity is truth is a spawn of evil worthy of your fictitious Satan.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 492 of 750 (855579)
06-20-2019 3:31 PM
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06-20-2019 3:11 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Many times.

It is not just the evil and bloodshed portrayed in your gospel. More it is the evil and bloodshed you christian practitioners plague upon the species.

Your gospel is full of oppression, repression, murder, slaughter and war against innocents. The larger problem is your adherents seek to visit the same on the whole of the population of this planet.

Christian is evil.


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Message 503 of 750 (855620)
06-20-2019 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 493 by Faith
06-20-2019 3:45 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
If you really think I'm defending such an evll doctrine, you should be advocating my death.

No. Wishing death on people is a christian and/or a republican and/or a racist thing.


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Message 518 of 750 (855699)
06-22-2019 6:20 AM
Reply to: Message 504 by Faith
06-20-2019 9:11 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
dup

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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