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Message 427 of 868 (855327)
06-18-2019 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by ringo
06-18-2019 5:27 PM


It's an abusive attitude, aimed against an ancient tradition that used to be treated with respect even by Krazy atheists. No longer.

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Message 430 of 868 (855332)
06-18-2019 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 429 by Taq
06-18-2019 5:50 PM


Yeah well apparently it was considered to have been earned for two thousand years but today's barbarians have changed their mind. So what else is new. You do a fine job of defending the barbarians. Good for you.
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Message 432 of 868 (855342)
06-18-2019 6:03 PM
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06-18-2019 6:00 PM


You're absolutely correct.

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Message 434 of 868 (855352)
06-18-2019 7:37 PM
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06-18-2019 7:26 PM


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Message 436 of 868 (855358)
06-18-2019 7:54 PM
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06-18-2019 7:51 PM


Why do you bother going to church and claim to believe the creeds when you say stuff llke that?
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Message 438 of 868 (855366)
06-18-2019 8:40 PM
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06-18-2019 8:07 PM


If I believed as you do I wouldn't consider myself a Christian, and I can't think of any reason to go to church at all in that case.

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Message 459 of 868 (855478)
06-20-2019 2:41 AM
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06-20-2019 2:25 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
He is touching, Phat. I missed his name though. I guess he was a victim of Thalidomide? I saw a video about Thalidomide people, unbelievers though. They'd managed to have fairly normal llves, though of course without the happy future this man has. I'm glad he's married and has children, able to have a more or less normal llfe. And yes, nice to know he'll be "in that number" with all of us, but with his body intact. I'll be glad if I get to look more llke my younger self than the way I look now but that sounds selfish after seeing him.
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Message 460 of 868 (855480)
06-20-2019 2:57 AM
Reply to: Message 458 by Tangle
06-20-2019 2:37 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Is it possible for you to learn some theology, or is that asking too much? God created everything absolutely perfect, but the Fall is why there is death, disease and suffering in this world. This is the primary thing Jesus rescues us from through that cross you ridicule and denigrate, though it certainly shows the love of God you deny. This is all standard traditional Christian theology despite the oddballs who deny it.
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Message 462 of 868 (855483)
06-20-2019 3:27 AM
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06-20-2019 3:03 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Every time you say God CREATED the misery I'm going to answer you about the Fall, no matter how much of your snark you throw at me, because you haven't learned the theology at all.

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Message 464 of 868 (855486)
06-20-2019 3:48 AM
Reply to: Message 463 by AZPaul3
06-20-2019 3:45 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Entropy is one of the results of the Fall. Nothing in this world is natural and normal since the Fall but of course you have no way of knowing that. I do though. We lost the perfection of the original Creation at the Fall but it will be restored when Jesus returns.
And I don't know what you mean by "this sixth extinction" but all such things are the result of the Fall. If this were taken into account it might be possible to mitigate its effects but since it's not all we can do is pray. We who believe in prayer of course.
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Message 473 of 868 (855507)
06-20-2019 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 465 by AZPaul3
06-20-2019 4:02 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Wasn't I talking about the effects of this supposed "sixth extinction" you mentioned, not entropy? Oh well.

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Message 475 of 868 (855511)
06-20-2019 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 467 by Phat
06-20-2019 6:56 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
ABE: I didn't realize I was answering you thugs, thought it was tangle for some reason.
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The god of forces or fortresses is the god that will be worshiped by the final Antichrist.
The Fall is the result of human sin. A modicum of humility about our own sins is in order, since we are the cause of all the suffering the whole Creation endures, and since others endure more than a lot of us we should blame ourselves for their suffering, llke that man in Thug's video, or your relative. Nevertheless God does hear prayer.
Nature is violent as a result of the Fall too. Again, prayer can mitigate that as well.
I understand not believing. That was my condition for about thirty years too. But what I don't understand is this angry claim to KNOW that it's all false. Since you have no evidence whatever, but you know there are lots of others who believe, how can you claim to KNOW there is nothing to it? Don't you all claim to have the scientific perspective here? If there is no evidence you simply cannot know, that's the scientific stance isn't it?
I've been watching the Netflix series "Forensic Files" and there is often a point in the investigation of a murder where they seem to have quite a bit of evidence, certainly more than you think you have for or against God, but they feel it's not enough for them to make a case against a suspect. So they keep investigating and eventually turn up some more until they can confidently charge a suspect.
But you guys aggressively assert that my beliefs, and Thug's and dredge's and others' are "not real" based on what? NOTHING, nothing at all. That's not a scientific stance, that's just emotional bias and really, arrogance (a word Percy won't let me write, sigh): since YOU don't see anything to belief in God that's enough for you to denounce it as false. Not very impressive thinking there.
Oh but you also deny our way of understanding things to give you an excuse to denounce it. You make up your own stuff and that's your evidence. NOT very impressive....
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Message 478 of 868 (855514)
06-20-2019 11:52 AM
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06-20-2019 11:40 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
BS
Says the guy with the greasy fried egg for an avatar.
The certainty is incomprehensible.

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Message 480 of 868 (855517)
06-20-2019 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 479 by ringo
06-20-2019 11:52 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Well, a debate at EvC wouldn't be the magnificent thing it is without the gadfly point of view.

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Message 484 of 868 (855549)
06-20-2019 1:09 PM
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06-20-2019 1:04 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Which means there is no certainty.
Your flat "BS" sounds pretty certain.

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