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AZPaul3
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Message 451 of 752 (855450)
06-19-2019 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 448 by Dredge
06-19-2019 9:16 PM


So why, after reading about all these other gods, did I dismiss them as fables and accept the Bible as the truth?

So why, after reading about all these other gods, did you dismiss them as fables and accept the Bible as the truth?


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 452 of 752 (855452)
06-19-2019 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 449 by Dredge
06-19-2019 9:20 PM


Re: Main Assertion: God is an uncaused first cause and was never made.
Not from your fiction.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 453 of 752 (855459)
06-19-2019 10:48 PM
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06-18-2019 8:43 PM


jar writes:

But you are not me and I am a Christian. And the fact remains that all of the Gods and gods that we can and have ever described are simply human creations.


You are a "Christian" but you don't believe that God exists?
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Message 454 of 752 (855460)
06-19-2019 10:55 PM
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06-19-2019 9:34 PM


Re: Main Assertion: God is an uncaused first cause and was never made.
Theodoric writes:

No one knows. There are some ideas and hypotheses but no one knows. Just because no one knows does not mean godidit.


If energy and matter had a beginning, what did they come from? Nothing?

If energy and matter didn't have a beginning, they must have always existed.


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Message 455 of 752 (855461)
06-19-2019 11:23 PM
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06-19-2019 10:55 PM


Re: Main Assertion: God is an uncaused first cause and was never made.
Maybe.
Do you have a point?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tangle
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Message 456 of 752 (855475)
06-20-2019 2:11 AM
Reply to: Message 454 by Dredge
06-19-2019 10:55 PM


Re: Main Assertion: God is an uncaused first cause and was never made.
Dredge writes:

If energy and matter had a beginning, what did they come from? Nothing?


That's one possibility.

If energy and matter didn't have a beginning, they must have always existed.

That's another possibility.

We'll let you know if/when we've worked it out.

Meanwhile what has it got to do with nailing a ape to a cross?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 457 of 752 (855476)
06-20-2019 2:25 AM
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06-20-2019 2:11 AM


The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Tangle writes:

We'll let you know if/when we've worked it out.

Meanwhile, what has it got to do with nailing an ape to a cross?


Scoffers.
I doubt many of you will watch this evangelist with no arms and no legs explain why Jesus (whom you callously call an ape) sparked a purpose in his life. You all want evidence? This evangelist is evidence.

Theodoric will no doubt demand that I stop "preaching" but he has every right to ignore my post.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 458 of 752 (855477)
06-20-2019 2:37 AM
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06-20-2019 2:25 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Phat writes:

You all want evidence? This evangelist is evidence.

He's certainly evidence for a lack of a loving god, I'll give you that.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 459 of 752 (855478)
06-20-2019 2:41 AM
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06-20-2019 2:25 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
He is touching, Phat. I missed his name though. I guess he was a victim of Thalidomide? I saw a video about Thalidomide people, unbelievers though. They'd managed to have fairly normal llves, though of course without the happy future this man has. I'm glad he's married and has children, able to have a more or less normal llfe. And yes, nice to know he'll be "in that number" with all of us, but with his body intact. I'll be glad if I get to look more llke my younger self than the way I look now but that sounds selfish after seeing him.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 460 of 752 (855480)
06-20-2019 2:57 AM
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06-20-2019 2:37 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Is it possible for you to learn some theology, or is that asking too much? God created everything absolutely perfect, but the Fall is why there is death, disease and suffering in this world. This is the primary thing Jesus rescues us from through that cross you ridicule and denigrate, though it certainly shows the love of God you deny. This is all standard traditional Christian theology despite the oddballs who deny it.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Tangle
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Message 461 of 752 (855481)
06-20-2019 3:03 AM
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06-20-2019 2:57 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Faith writes:

Is it possible for you to learn some theology, or is that asking too much?

I've learnt your 'theology' Faith, it's utter bullshit.

God created everything absolutely perfect, but the Fall is why there is death, disease and suffering in this world. This is the primary thing Jesus rescues us from through that cross you ridicule and denigrate, though it certainly shows the love of God you deny. This is all standard traditional Christian theology despite the oddballs who deny it.

Like I say, utter bullshit. Not even an internally consistent fabrication. The god who loves us tortures and kills us. How can so many be fooled by that absurd and evil idea.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 462 of 752 (855483)
06-20-2019 3:27 AM
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06-20-2019 3:03 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Every time you say God CREATED the misery I'm going to answer you about the Fall, no matter how much of your snark you throw at me, because you haven't learned the theology at all.
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AZPaul3
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Message 463 of 752 (855485)
06-20-2019 3:45 AM
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06-20-2019 2:57 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
but the Fall is why there is death, disease and suffering in this world.

There is death, disease and suffering in this world because of entropy. Everything changes. Everything dies. All quite natural. All quite normal.

Unfortunately this 6th mass extinction is our own doing and may very well claim us as casualties.

Compared to nature your god is a teddy bear. An ugly mean, bloodthirsty teddy bear. But Ma Nature is the absolute most bad ass killer of all time. Nothing survives her embrace. Not even gods.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith
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Message 464 of 752 (855486)
06-20-2019 3:48 AM
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06-20-2019 3:45 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Entropy is one of the results of the Fall. Nothing in this world is natural and normal since the Fall but of course you have no way of knowing that. I do though. We lost the perfection of the original Creation at the Fall but it will be restored when Jesus returns.

And I don't know what you mean by "this sixth extinction" but all such things are the result of the Fall. If this were taken into account it might be possible to mitigate its effects but since it's not all we can do is pray. We who believe in prayer of course.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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AZPaul3
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Message 465 of 752 (855489)
06-20-2019 4:02 AM
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06-20-2019 3:48 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Entropy is one of the results of the Fall.

Of course it is. So are republicans and christians.

If this were taken into account it might be possible to mitigate its effects

Mitigate the effects of entropy? You do know entropy is the flow of energy, its temporary concentration and its inevitable dispersion, right? Good luck with that.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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