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Message 556 of 642 (855913)
06-24-2019 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 555 by Thugpreacha
06-24-2019 4:58 PM


Re: Take A Side
Get help Phat.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Theodoric
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Message 557 of 642 (855915)
06-24-2019 5:14 PM
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06-24-2019 4:58 PM


Re: Take A Side
How about you actually try to put the word salad into words that actual explain what you are trying to say. I am not the problem here.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 558 of 642 (855930)
06-24-2019 7:31 PM
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06-24-2019 4:58 PM


Re: Take A Side
Phat writes:

You call it word salad because you are not a believer. Your brain is not wired to take leaps of faith.

What you describe Phat is not a matter of belief but of willful ignorance, being unwilling to actually examine the words in the context of reality, that which can be tested.

I am a believer yet I too see it as word salad and almost as dishonest as the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy.


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Message 559 of 642 (855985)
06-25-2019 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 550 by Thugpreacha
06-24-2019 3:47 PM


Re: Take A Side
Phat writes:

Theodoric writes:

Arbitrator of reality? WTF does that even mean?


It means that through Him, all things were created. Not through a dead genius.

Arbitrator and creator are not the same thing. In fact, the creator could be dead and somebody else could be the current arbitrator.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Message 560 of 642 (855987)
06-25-2019 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 555 by Thugpreacha
06-24-2019 4:58 PM


Re: Take A Side
Phat writes:

You call it word salad because you are not a believer. Your brain is not wired to take leaps of faith. Thus to you, I may as well be saying
’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.


You're shooting yourself in the foot. Jabberwocky is nonsense to everybody. Nobody believes it's "true". Nobody's brain is wired to believe it.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Message 561 of 642 (856004)
06-25-2019 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 559 by ringo
06-25-2019 12:09 PM


Re: Take A Side
One thing we believe, and that is that the arbitrator is most certainly not human.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Theodoric
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Message 562 of 642 (856006)
06-25-2019 4:31 PM
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06-25-2019 4:27 PM


Re: Take A Side

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/arbitrator
A person agreed upon or appointed to judge or decide a disputed issue; an arbiter.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 563 of 642 (856007)
06-25-2019 4:31 PM
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06-24-2019 7:31 PM


Re: Take A Side
I understand your position but would comment that your willingness to eternally (if you end up being eternal) ask questions prevents you from having to decide on an answer. You can conveniently browse the showroom without deciding to buy any of the products. Which most honestly makes you an eternal agnostic.(Thus far) So this nonsense that you claim to be a believer only fits within the bylaws of your club. The Chicago Statement assumes a lot of belief, so I can see why you question it, but to judge it places you as your own God. You claim that you would likely laugh in the face of the "God of Calvinism" but more likely you would be on your face....either voluntarily or mandatorily. Then what?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 564 of 642 (856008)
06-25-2019 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 562 by Theodoric
06-25-2019 4:31 PM


Re: Take A Side
Arbitrator: an independent person or body officially appointed to settle a dispute.
adjudicator arbiter judge umpire referee assistant referee linesman line judge mediator conciliator intervenor intercessor go-between negotiator peacemaker

Jesus is the mediator. he arbitrator. Your exaggerated claims of His non-existence mean little. You have anything else today, Theo?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 565 of 642 (856014)
06-25-2019 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 564 by Thugpreacha
06-25-2019 4:34 PM


Re: Take A Side
But that is not how you attempted to use it. You said it meant creator too.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 566 of 642 (856074)
06-26-2019 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 563 by Thugpreacha
06-25-2019 4:31 PM


Re: Take A Side
Phat writes:

The Chicago Statement assumes a lot of belief, so I can see why you question it, but to judge it places you as your own God.

How does my utter derision related to the total dishonesty and willful disconnection from all reality that is the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy place me as any God?

Phat writes:

You claim that you would likely laugh in the face of the "God of Calvinism" but more likely you would be on your face....either voluntarily or mandatorily.

Are you saying that the duty of a Christian is to just give in to a despot and tyrant just because the tyrant is more powerful?

No, I say that I would oppose such an evil creation. As a Christian I believe I have the duty to Fight the GOOD fight, to run the race. I would almost certainly lose but as a Christian that is still my duty.


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Message 567 of 642 (856089)
06-26-2019 11:31 AM
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06-25-2019 4:31 PM


Re: Take A Side
Phat writes:

You can conveniently browse the showroom without deciding to buy any of the products.


I wouldn't even set foot in a showroom that didn't let me leave without buying something.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Message 568 of 642 (856091)
06-26-2019 11:34 AM
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06-25-2019 4:34 PM


Re: Take A Side
Phat writes:

Jesus is the mediator. he arbitrator. Your exaggerated claims of His non-existence mean little.


Your claims of his existence mean nothing.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Message 569 of 642 (856099)
06-26-2019 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 561 by Thugpreacha
06-25-2019 4:27 PM


Re: Take A Side
Phat writes:

One thing we believe, and that is that the arbitrator is most certainly not human.


*shrug* Who cares what you believe? This is a discussion forum. Discuss something.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Message 570 of 642 (856180)
06-28-2019 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 565 by Theodoric
06-25-2019 5:04 PM


Re: Take A Side
Technically Jesus, as Mediator, is lso in the role of Creator since "through Him all things were created". Its challenging for me to have as honest an argument as possible while holding on to the dogma which I dont question. Jesus is Gods character to me. Thus, the Creator of all seen and unseen is essentially repped through a Man.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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