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Faith
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Message 631 of 642 (856812)
07-03-2019 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 630 by Tangle
07-03-2019 4:17 AM


Re: How To Determine Chosen Human Instruments
No, it's only the ToE, and all of those sciences could do their work without it, although they act as if they couldn't because it's so taken for granted. And I don't dispute anything you said about mutations and genetics, just what they do and what they mean.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Tangle
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Message 632 of 642 (856814)
07-03-2019 6:59 AM
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07-03-2019 6:14 AM


Re: How To Determine Chosen Human Instruments
Faith writes:

No, it's only the ToE,

It is absolutely not. Those other sciences prove that the earth is old and have nothing to do with the biology or the ToE. Or have you suddenly become an old-earther?

and all of those sciences could do their work without it,

And that's exactly what they do.

although they act as if they couldn't because it's so taken for granted.

Yes, old earth and universe is totally settled science, only religious nutters dispute it. Totally without evidence of course.

And I don't dispute anything you said about mutations and genetics, just what they do and what they mean.

Which, of course, covers pretty much everything.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 633 of 642 (856865)
07-03-2019 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 627 by Tangle
07-03-2019 1:21 AM


Re: How To Determine Chosen Human Instruments
Tangle writes:

Neither of you have any formal training in anything yet all of a sudden you start claiming to be a teacher and Faith, from her armchair, who has never read a research paper in any discipline, tells us that archaeology, physics, biology, astronomy, palaeontology, geology and molecular genetics are all so wrong that we might as well throw them all away and start again. And we should do it because of a stone age myth composed of folk legends.

The jury is still out regarding this myth. Even atheists must admit that there is a good probability that the social media driven information age, coupled with the historical tendency of autocratic dictators to use technology to attempt to enslave a persecuted group makes for the liklihood of a conflict globally approaching the size and scope of a World War.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 634 of 642 (856869)
07-03-2019 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 633 by Thugpreacha
07-03-2019 4:45 PM


Re: How To Determine Chosen Human Instruments
Phat writes:

The jury is still out regarding this myth.


All your juries are always out Phat; have you not noticed?

Even atheists must admit that there is a good probability that the social media driven information age, coupled with the historical tendency of autocratic dictators to use technology to attempt to enslave a persecuted group makes for the liklihood of a conflict globally approaching the size and scope of a World War.

Oh terrific, now you've gone all armageddon on us. Why do you religious weirdos always do that? And what's atheism got to do with anything.

You're getting worse but you're enjoying the trip aren't you?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Thugpreacha
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Message 635 of 642 (856870)
07-03-2019 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 634 by Tangle
07-03-2019 4:58 PM


Re: How To Determine Chosen Human Instruments
All I am asserting is that a World War is likely. I never mentioned the end of the world. And I am pointing out that even someone with your rational level of thinking could spot the high possibility.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 636 of 642 (856923)
07-04-2019 8:20 AM
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07-03-2019 5:00 PM


Re: How To Determine Chosen Human Instruments
Thugpreacha writes:

All I am asserting is that a World War is likely.

I don't think so. Maybe the Crazy Old Orange Draft-dodger would try to get America into obliterating parts of Iran, but I don't think a lot of countries will join in. Iran won't win the war, but America would get a bloody nose in the process. Not even Putin or The Kim-Number-Un would be crazy enough to follow that Orange Thing into such a war.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.


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Message 637 of 642 (856928)
07-04-2019 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 635 by Thugpreacha
07-03-2019 5:00 PM


Re: How To Determine Chosen Human Instruments
Phat writes:

All I am asserting is that a World War is likely.

You mean a War with the US being opposed by Every Other Nation on Earth?

That is certainly a possibility.

How do you think that would end for the US?

AbE:

Phat, what other nations have nuclear stockpiles?

Phat, what is the most likely delivery method for a nuclear device?

Phat, are there other threats than nuclear devices?

Phat, what are the delivery methods for those other threats?

Phat, which is more likely to be a deterrent to Iranian aggression; threatening total destruction or becoming the single largest consumer for Iranian oil?

Edited by jar, : see AbE;


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Thugpreacha
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Message 638 of 642 (856968)
07-04-2019 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 634 by Tangle
07-03-2019 4:58 PM


Re: How To Determine Chosen Human Instruments
Tangle writes:

And what's atheism got to do with anything.

I suppose I should have been more specific. Let me rephrase:
Even rationally minded individuals unswayed by religious belief must admit that there is a good probability that the social media driven information age, coupled with the historical tendency of autocratic dictators to use technology to attempt to enslave a persecuted group makes for the likelihood of a conflict globally approaching the size and scope of a World War.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 639 of 642 (856971)
07-04-2019 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 637 by jar
07-04-2019 9:20 AM


Re: How To Determine Chosen Human Instruments
jar writes:

Phat, what other nations have nuclear stockpiles?

at least 10 major stockpiles...maybe more.

jar writes:

Phat, what is the most likely delivery method for a nuclear device?

Apart from Missiles and bombers, I'm not sure, though the method could be as simple as a rogue drone or even a catapult. depends if the deliverer seeks to live or not.

Phat, are there other threats than nuclear devices?
Most certainly. Here is a short list that I can think of: Electromagnetic Pulse attacks, germ warfare, biological warfare, sabotage of key electrical grid components, and the list goes on. I could envision a terrorist with a portable drone dropping anthrax powder on the super bowl through air dispersion. Evil knows no limits except the restraint of the Lord. I pray He never removes His protection from us, but what makes us any more worthy of salvation than any other nation globally?

Phat, what are the delivery methods for those other threats?
As I mentioned before, drones could carry poisons into reservoirs and over open air crowd events. Apart from that threat, the usual threats are chiefly human carried. (hijacked planes, trucks, and ships )Thus as we get deeper into facial recognition scanning, marks on hands or foreheads being mandatory, and immigration policies, the cost of security and the erosion of privacy will continue. We would do well to make more friends and fewer enemies. It is a bit ironic that the conservative fundamentalist Christians worry about a One World Government when global cooperation may be the solution.

Phat, which is more likely to be a deterrent to Iranian aggression; threatening total destruction or becoming the single largest consumer for Iranian oil?
Making America Great Again involves success in developing a friendly business partner rather than a militant overlord.

Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 640 of 642 (858125)
07-17-2019 2:26 AM
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06-22-2019 9:40 PM


jar writes:

I am a Christian


What qualifies you as a Christian?
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Message 641 of 642 (858127)
07-17-2019 8:01 AM
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07-17-2019 2:26 AM


Dredge writes:

What qualifies you as a Christian?

I was born into a Christian Family, raised as a Christian, Baptized in the Rite of Baptism, Confirmed in the Rite of Confirmation, educated in a Christian School and a registered member of a recognized Christian Denomination.

Sorry Charlie; you may not like it but the Fact is that I am a Christian.


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Message 642 of 642 (858132)
07-17-2019 9:36 AM


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