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The Origin of Novelty

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Message 326 of 871 (691350)
02-22-2013 8:13 AM 		Reply to: Message 312 by mindspawn
02-22-2013 5:19 AM

Isolated environments.
You see nature does not isolate itself like the laboratory
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I saw a great documentary on the Galapagos islands last night.
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02-22-2013 10:41 AM 		Reply to: Message 327 by Faith
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Re: Isolated environments.
Yup, nature does isolate itself like the laboratory.
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Message 620 of 871 (692281)
03-01-2013 3:10 PM 		Reply to: Message 617 by Taq
03-01-2013 12:11 PM

Re: Evidence again
it is even easier to show how vehicles do not fall into a nested hierarchy
I've not read all of this thread, but I think it's worth pointing out while vehicles do not fall into a nested hierarchy, there are many ways of arranging them in a nested hierarchy, with no objective reason to prefer one over another. OTOH, life falls into one nested hierarchy, as measured by at least two objective measures, and there is no other objectively equivalent nested hierarchy of life.
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03-19-2013 12:36 PM 		Reply to: Message 726 by mindspawn
03-16-2013 9:07 AM

I could arrange any group of vehicles into an order of engine capacity. Or an order of number of wheels. Or an order of fuel tank capacity. Any varied feature you choose. Once ordered, this does not prove the order of their manufacture.
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The point you keep missing is that you can do that, but none of the ways you can do that is objectively better than any other. The nested hierarchy of life is objectively better than any other arrangement.
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Message 762 of 871 (695305)
04-04-2013 1:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 738 by Granny Magda
03-17-2013 2:31 PM

Bat fossil
but at least its something better than the complete lack for example of transitionary bat fossils
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Earliest bat fossil reveals transition to flight.
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04-22-2013 12:06 PM 		Reply to: Message 818 by Granny Magda
04-22-2013 11:59 AM

Whoops?
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Of 36 anatomical characters examined on AL 288-1, 14 (39%) exhibit the apelike state and 22 (61%) exhibit the humanlike state.
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Fourteen. Out of the thirty-six features looked at in that paper, fourteen were human-like. Not two.
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I haven't read the paper, but don't you mean twenty-two were humanlike? Or else your quote is wrong.
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