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Author Topic:   Lack of random environments
Dr Adequate
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Message 7 of 26 (690012)
02-07-2013 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Alfred Maddenstein
02-06-2013 7:04 PM


The cat's question is: does that mean that the three-headed monster critters are just lacking a proper environment to adapt to and to be fit in? Could there are be an environment they are the fittest for? It must be so if there is no intrinsic damage or benefit brought by a mutation but the selecting environment alone decides who is fit and who is not.
In a sense, I guess. Consider the case where the environment includes people who are breeding for the bizarre trait in question. For example a fruit fly with antennapedia is presumably less fit in the wild than one without, but it is more fit when its environment is rich in geneticists wanting to study HOM-C genes.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 14 of 26 (690154)
02-09-2013 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Bolder-dash
02-09-2013 8:23 AM


Re: What are the odds?
I would concur that indeed it does seem remarkable. The observations that we see are virtually organisms getting exactly what they need to survive better, when they need it.
No. What we see are random mutations, and then we see that ones that get what they need survive.
This is like having to teach you your ABC. Really, Boulder-dash? 862 posts on this forum and you haven't got this far?
It mirrors the smaller adaptions we see all around us, like the ability to tan, the occurrence of blisters when our skin needs more protection, muscles that grow stronger when we need them to do hard work, lungs that getting better at breathing when we need to run longer.
It does not mirror that. That's nonheritable phenotypic plasticity, not heritable mutation.
And again, if you still can't tell the difference ... sheesh.

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Message 15 of 26 (690155)
02-09-2013 4:56 PM
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02-09-2013 7:40 AM


This is another one those things that evolutionists like to say, without ever being called on it, or thinking about the reasonableness of this presumption. As if evolution started with a simple organism, then kept building upon it, and yet no new simple organisms started again, and again?
How come 5000 years ago another simple celled creature didn't start evolving to become more complex, with another entirely different foundation. And how about 100 years ago? Or 25 years ago? Was is your theory only something that has happened in the past.
For example, when we observe the evolution of multicellularity in Chlorella?
Its another black mark against the many your theory can't overcome.
Except by pointing to the facts rather than the imaginary world in your head.

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Message 17 of 26 (690173)
02-09-2013 9:33 PM
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02-09-2013 8:23 AM


Re: What are the odds?
The observations that we see are virtually organisms getting exactly what they need to survive better, when they need it.
Incidentally, if you're going to pretend that all mutations are beneficial, how about you go and argue with the creationists who pretend that all mutations are harmful? Come back when you've sorted out between you which mistake you'd like to make.

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