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JonF Member (Idle past 338 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The electrical currents and activity that we observe in space is well documented, studied, and published. Tom Bridgman has a useful list of references and links at Challenges for Electric Universe 'Theorists'. You might want to check out Electric fields in the solar atmosphere - A review and Ionization in stellar atmosphere (from 1922: boy, them scientists sure have been ignoring plasma for a long time, from even before the term "plasma" was coined).
You can find gobs and gobs of data at Heliophysics Data Portal.
E.g. "Helios 1 E6 (Kunow) Hourly Particle Fluxes":
quote: Or "IMP 8 GME 30-min energetic particle rates and fluxes":
quote: So there's just loads of mainstream scientists using many different instruments to investigate charged particles and currens and plasmas in space. The answer to your question, "why is mainstream so terrified to admit to electrical acivity in space?", is that nobody's terrified. Now here's a question for you to answer: what is the charged particle flux at Earth's orbit in Electric Sun models? Are Tom Bridgman's calculations wrong at Electric Cosmos: The Solar Capacitor Model. I and Electric Cosmos: The Solar Capacitor Model. II, in which he shows that the Solar Capacitor model predicts fatal ionizing radiation that would fry any astronaut?
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JonF Member (Idle past 338 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Can't answer the question, hum?
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JonF Member (Idle past 338 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Still no answer to a simple question?
Nobody is impressed with your Gish Gallop.
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JonF Member (Idle past 338 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
it CAN NOT be an aggregates of material, it is ROCK From dictionary.com:
quote: from Rocks and classifications:
quote: IOW, the definition of "rock" is an aggregate of different materials (minerals).
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JonF Member (Idle past 338 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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In Tom Bridgman's most recent two posts on his blog (Discord for Discordant Redshifts. I. and Discord for Discordant Redshifts. II.) he discusses the Arpist's claim that many high-redshift quasars are physically very close to nearby regular galaxies. He lists "A correlation that higher-redshift objects tend to be closer to the foreground galaxy" and "The claimed low-probability of such alignments and associations." as two of three reasons for this claim.
He goes on to show that the low probability calculation is flawed by considering the field of view as a two-dimensional portion of a sphere rather than a slice of three-dimensional space, and demonstrates algebraically and pictorially that the correct calculation shows that such apparent alignments are actually pretty probable. He even dug up an obscure paper from 1974 (and cited five times) in which the same analysis and more was published. Not that it'll make any difference to jusstatruthseeker, but interesting to those of us in the reality-based community.
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JonF Member (Idle past 338 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Well, they are quite different. PL "discusses" by repeating his original claims endlessly. Justatruthseeker "discusses" by ignoring everything and starting a new "discussion" in each message.
Perpetual motion at the Earth's core! Sheesh.
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JonF Member (Idle past 338 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Well, it appears that justatruthseeker is no longer here, or banned, or something. But Tom Bridgman found this thread and responded to some of JAT's gibberish at Death by Electric Universe. Radiation Exposure Revisited. Money quote:
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JonF Member (Idle past 338 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Ignoring the Gish Galloping,
1) The high radiation environment of an electric sun is running continuously. This is not a case of heading for the heavy shelter for occasional events. The astronauts would have to be in the heavy shelter all the time. 2) Of course they head to sheltered rooms, it is an electrically active evironment out there, theyt's why they built those shielded rooms. They don't build any such shielded rooms, nor do astronauts and satellites take cover in these non-existent rooms. This alleged current would be running all the time. Do astronauts and satellites spend all their time in shielded rooms? Guess you've never heard of spacewalks.
Says who? people that think space is electrically neutral? Why should I believe their calculations? Because Dr. Bridgman's calculations are demonstrably correct. I see nobody, especially you, can find any fault with his calculations
You got 100,000 amps coming down at the poles every second, don't see it frying your ass when you stand at the north pole. The article to which you refer is not about the Earth, it's about the Moon. The Earth's magnetosphere protects us from any such problem. If it wasn't there, yeah, we'd be fried. And the article doesn't mention any current.
Do you uinerstand the concept of grounded? I understand the concept of grounding just fine. Do you understand the concept of encounters with near-light-speed charged particles? Edited by JonF, : minor spelling error
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JonF Member (Idle past 338 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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quote: Apparently you don't know much about space.spacetoday.net: ISS radiation shielding not as good as hoped quote: Probably why it didn't work as expected, you understand it so little and think it is electrically neutral despite the fact that craft entering space immediately build up charge. NASA knows it exists, why don't you? It's always amusing when an Internet nutcase posts a quote from a source that falsifies his claim. Your reference speaks of the shielding of the space station itself. There is no mention of a shielded room in which the astronauts could take cover. There are no such shielded rooms. If there were such shielded rooms and there was as much radiation as your fantasy requires, they wouldn't be able to leave the shielded room. Ever. Not even to transfer to a returning spacecraft. There is a section built by the Russians that is more heavily built than the rest of the station, and crews take refuge in there when there is a big flare. But you forget that the radiation Dr. Bridgman calculated would be present all the time. Nobody could live on the station in that environment. Nobody could take spacewalks in that environment. There is radiation in space. There is nowhere near as much radiation in space as would be required to power an electric sun. Dr Bridgman has demonstrated that the radiation exposure just outside the space station would be more than 9,100,000 mSv/day, most likely much much more. Your quote says the astronauts are being exposed to around 1 mSv/day. Either the space station shielding is already working better than any shielding anywhere else, or the solar capacitor electric sun model is false.
quote: You seem to be ignoring that 99% of the universe again, as usual You are ignoring your own fantasy. If your fantasy is correct, at periods of low solar activity the exposure just outside the space station and the astronaut's suit would be more than 9,100,000 mSv/day, most likely much much more. If an astronaut took a spacewalk into that environment, he/she would be dead almost immediately. Astronauts take spacewalks and do not die almost immediately. Therefore the solar capacitor electric sun model is false. Your fantasy requires that the radiation in the near-Earth space environment be many orders of magnitude greater than we have measured. Your fantasy is falsified by observations. (P.S. If you don't like Dr. Bridgman's calculations, I'll be glad to evaluate yours.)
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