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justatruthseeker Member (Idle past 1916 days) Posts: 117 From: Tulsa, OK, USA Joined: |
Yes, we know all about TB, who like you see the currents and measure them, but just don't think they do anything. So you put geysers on Saturns moon Enceladus (about 3 miles in diameter), yet it doesn't affect its orbit one little bit, whats stopping that? Why do the rings flatten out without observing gravitational effects? Gravity requires them to go up, then down, then back up and down, until the wave settles down, yet they settle almost instantly. We aren't complaining you mention them, but you just ignore any cause and effect after you mention them. Your entire comet theory has been destroyed, yet you still talk of dirty snowballs as if nothing is wrong. Have dust ejected off a comet from an impact at 1000's of mph, yet then it settles back to the exact same spot it came from, because the crater was so much smaller than you ever dreamed, even though the initial event was so much larger than you ever dreamed.
The suns convection currents are 1% of what your theory requires, yet you blithly forge on as if nothing has occurred, not once considering your intial premise might be in error. A premise based upon theory originally put forward by Sydney Chapman, who's theory about the earth environment was proved incorrect over 40 years ago and Birkeland proved correct. That same theory by Chapman that TB uses to calculate his forces. It's no wonder he can't come up with the correct answers, he uses theory proved wrong 40+ years ago. And yet despite all your claims all spacecraft and spacesuits are heavily shielded against radiation so those astronaughts don't get fried, funny how that works huh? And apparently TB isn't aware of tests done. When in space and storms errupt, astronauts head to specially shielded rooms. The Earth's magnetosphere blocks out about 99% of space radiation, and yet sit in the sun for a few hours, get's rather warm doesn't it, and you only get 1%. http://science.nbcnews.com/...light-on-space-radiation-risks
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
Can't answer the question, hum?
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Admin Director Posts: 12708 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Hi JustATruthSeeker,
Could you please include descriptions of your points in your own words with your links? Thanks.
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justatruthseeker Member (Idle past 1916 days) Posts: 117 From: Tulsa, OK, USA Joined: |
I let your own experiments answer it, if you had bothered to read them.
TB's reliance on magnetic field lines drawn off paper shows the ignorance of anything electrical and magnetic. Magnetic fields in plasma have been studied in the lab for over 100 years. There exists no such thing as a magnetic monopole, despite your attempts to theorize magnetic fields behave that way. You can't block them or disconnect them, they are FIELDS, not lines drawn on paper to aid in describing the strength and direction of that FIELD. I'm sorry I misstated facts, I said 99% of the radiation was blocked by the magnetosphere, Your scientists say 99.9% so I figured I better correct my wrong statement. So you get blisters from setting in the sun too long and only receive .1% on Earth. Nah, it wouldn't fry you without shielding, what was I thinking???...So much for TB's theory. EU predicts more than enough power flowing out to fry you, as a matter of fact we got a number for that, want it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_luminosity quote: So if we add your nuclear theory we get a slightly larger number, which just should tell you how much your theory is adding to the equation. Which comes to .1x1026 W. Man that nuclear energy sure is pumping out the power isn't it, LoL. What powers the sun again? How's that theory go? Here's some of that labwork you like to ignore. let me help you with a quote from one of the above papers. quote: I think the mechanism is quite clear. Regardless of the statement that magnetic fields accelerate the particles. Do I need to post again the only known way to accelerate charged particles? You should of jumped on the wagon from the start instead of fighting it, zt least you then could of used your controlled bomb to explain the electric field and just maybe kept a dying theory alive another 100 years. Doubtfull though, I give it 8 max, 12 for the few diehards. Edited by justatruthseeker, : correction Edited by justatruthseeker, : No reason given. Edited by justatruthseeker, : No reason given. Edited by justatruthseeker, : No reason given. Edited by justatruthseeker, : No reason given. Edited by justatruthseeker, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16112 Joined: |
Apparently one of the things you can't do is read.
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justatruthseeker Member (Idle past 1916 days) Posts: 117 From: Tulsa, OK, USA Joined: |
I posted it, read it many times, it proves my point, did you read it???? The 4 that you say are colliding are further apart from each other (over 39 million ly apart from one another) because of redshift. Yet the one 39 million ly from us that is apparently interacting with the others as the shock wave is clearly visible in all spectrum's not just visible. So 4 galaxies further apart from each other than 39 million ly are interacting while no one would ever dare to suggest that the one you say is closer to us then they are from each other could ever possibly interact with us. Contradictions and misrepresentations. Wave of the hand.
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Panda Member (Idle past 2459 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Red shift: THE most common cause of galactic separation. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 2459 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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As I advised Percy; justatruthseeker is not interested in truth - it gets in the way of his opinions. He only replies to insults. {abe} Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
Still no answer to a simple question?
Nobody is impressed with your Gish Gallop.
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justatruthseeker Member (Idle past 1916 days) Posts: 117 From: Tulsa, OK, USA Joined: |
From those who can dismiss their own scientific results I expect nothing less than obfuscation.
Direct laboratory evidence that electric currents cause solar flares and solar and galactic jets - we'll just ignore them. Blame it on the magnetic fields, even though the only way you could even get the results was to use an electric current running through plasma. We have to use electric currents to cause the effect, but we'll just theorize that another force causes it. Lol, this is science???? To you maybe, but not to people that can actually think. Sheeple. Mainstream has already ignored everything about comets they learned from Deep Impact. What was observed was just as the EU predicted, in opposition to everything mainstream predicted. Still think it's a dirty snowball? Outer solar system? Sun? 3 strikes you're out. But you are right, I am probably wrong, it must be that pesky Dark Matter they can't seem to find anywhere, that's it right??? Dark matter must be throwing everything off so we can safely ignore the facts. I believe the whole purpose of Deep Impact was to study comets, so have you rewrote your theory yet? Or still claiming they are dirty snowballs left over from the formation of the solar system? You see, the errors set in for the simple fact that astrophysicists only see magnetic fields. Until one actually goes there "in situ" to measure it, voltage cannot be detected. And even thern it's only relative to another voltage nearby in which to measure it in relation to. Just as your theory was off by 99 orders of magnitude on the sun's convection flow. 1% of that required detected, but I don't expect that to affect your beliefs at all, as your science is based upon belief and not facts. Why let facts get in the way of a good story right? They are attempting to twist what magnetic fields are in their attempt to salvage their theory, hoping the general public is ignorant of what magnetic fields are. And apparently they are. I expect you believe magnetic fields don't need electric currents to form, even though the heat of the sun would destroy any magnetic alignment of atoms unless electric current was being constantly supplied. The rub of it is, they wanted to use the convection to explain their magnetic field reconnection so they could explain the electric currents. Now it's back to square one. Well not quite, they still won't go back and look at the original theory again, just change some numbers. Basically your theory is silly putty they can change at will to fit any observation made (absolutely useless). I am waiting with anticipation to see what they come up with this time. Hmmmm, wonder how much Dark Matter we need to explain these facts away. But everywhere we go we measure those currents. As a matter of fact we now have an estimate of 15GW leaving the southern pole of Saturn's moon Enceladus thanks to Cassini (an order of magnitude higher than your theorist predicted), although it's sensors weren't designed for it as it wasn't expected as the south pole was believed to be the coldest spot on that little ball of ice. (predictive power again). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_magnitude They haven't measured the Northern Poles Birkeland Current yet, but have detected its footprint near Saturn's North Pole. Magnetic fields can be detected from afar, and since only charged particles moving in relation to other charged particles (electric current) causes magnetic fields, and magnetic dipole moments when you get to micro, it's only natural that from the micro to the macro: It's an Electric Universe!
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Panda Member (Idle past 2459 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
So - you don't know that we have sent a probe to an actual comet and looked? quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giotto_%28spacecraft%29
Yup - looks like a reasonable metaphor to me. You remind me of something someone once said: "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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justatruthseeker Member (Idle past 1916 days) Posts: 117 From: Tulsa, OK, USA Joined: |
You should of read earlier posts before you decided to jump in and throw in your two cents. I'm quite aware we have been there, are you???
You had better check the predictive power of both theories. quote: http://www.physicscentral.com/explore/action/impact.cfm quote: Yet the material ejected in Deep Impact contained virtully no water but a fine powdered silica. Your 80% water only accounts for the coma, Not observed on the nucleus except as rare frost. All the material released from deep impact was silica. Not ice and water. The water occured 5 days later and was produced from electrical processes in the coma. The same process that made the water in Haley's coma. http://deepimpact.umd.edu/gallery/313_635_F3.html Your own scientific data disagrees with your statement. Your statement is from pre-impact theories, which Deep Impact disproved without doubt. The ejecta was almost pure silicate, not water ice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halley%27s_Comet quote: But your theory about that was disproved. quote: Make up your minds please. Perhaps you should start at the beginning. Although I have yet to see how the data only rules out dirty snowballs, when the ejected material was everything but water ice. Edited by justatruthseeker, : No reason given. Edited by justatruthseeker, : No reason given. Edited by justatruthseeker, : No reason given. Edited by justatruthseeker, : No reason given.
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Panda Member (Idle past 2459 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
quote:You see the part I highlighted? Halley's Comet is a "dirty snowball": fact. Let's look at your own link: quote:
Yes - it is still an accurate metaphor.
It was predicted it would be "composed of a mixture of volatile ices – such as water, carbon dioxide and ammonia – and dust." - and low and behold! It was!! I realise that you hate facts with a passion - but you really need to learn to accept reality. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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justatruthseeker Member (Idle past 1916 days) Posts: 117 From: Tulsa, OK, USA Joined: |
quote: This is what your scientists say. Then you are going to tell me that the theory by Fred Whipple is correct when it is of a dirty snowball: a loose aggregates of material? You just disproved that model, and any data that pointed to it being a correct interpretation. This is your very own comet scientists telling you this, not me, not the EU, not Plasma Cosmology, but your very own scientists. You need to update the books, they are old, you rely on data from pre Deep impact, the experiment that was going to tell you what the stuff of comets was made of. It did: rock. I included it to show your theory about Halley is INCORRECT, it CAN NOT be an aggregates of material, it is ROCK. Just like every single asteroid in the asteroid belt, the only difference is charge imbalance due to time spent at the edges of the solar system. Now be true scientists and accept that data for what it is and reconsider your initial assumptions of how comets are formed and what they are made of.
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Panda Member (Idle past 2459 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Rocks can't be an aggregate of materials? quote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_%28geology%29 I think this makes your problem very clear. I don't see how I can ever successfully communicate with you when you constantly use words that you do not understand. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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