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Author Topic:   Evolution and the seven Christian hypothesis on Creation ought all be taught
subbie
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Message 3 of 100 (690198)
02-10-2013 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by kofh2u
02-10-2013 12:58 PM


Just the sociological value of present ALL the seven views plus Evolution seems to be sensible behavior.

Of course, that is the only reason to teach any of those things, other than the Theory of Evolution. Certainly none of the others belongs in science class, except as examples of things that aren't science.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 22 of 100 (690526)
02-14-2013 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by kofh2u
02-13-2013 11:14 PM


What are your thoughts on the present policies wherein teachers and textbooks usually mention Alchemy and discuss that subject, teach the history of the early roots of Chemistry in that now rather discredited field of inquiry, and applaud and credit those alchemist with the invention and manufacture of almost all our present chemistry glassware.

Since I'm not aware of exactly what is taught, I have no opinion on it. In the abstract, I'd have no problem teaching it as a part of the history of chemistry. Moreover, I'd have no problem teaching the history of the development of the ToE, including the fact that before Darwin, most naturalists were creationists of some sort.

Generally, I'm not opposed in principal to teaching anything that's accurate. Of course, there isn't time to teach it all, so priorities need to be set. But as long as what is taught is accurate, I'm good with it.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 23 of 100 (690527)
02-14-2013 12:03 AM
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02-13-2013 11:25 PM


But the Biology teacher seems sort of trapped between the hard place of pretending the kids don't KNOW their is an issue with his science....

The only problem with biology is religious nitwits who insist on lying to children about science to protect their goofy ideas. Eliminate that and you eliminate the problem.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 26 of 100 (690546)
02-14-2013 8:21 AM
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02-14-2013 1:09 AM


Re: I agree with that...
A curriculum designed to describe the history of the science related to cosmic evolution needs to be fair enough to emphasis that Genesis was the lone and sole claimant for a Big Bang in days when men puzzled over the possibility of a Static Universe that had always existed.

Actually, that kind of garbage is exactly what needs to be kept out. Nobody ever interpreted the bible to be describing the Big Bang theory until science developed it. The same is true for the rest of the codswallop you posted.

Pre-Darwin naturalists were actually men of science who tried to use a systematic method to find support for biblical creation in the natural world. Creationism fell by the wayside because there is no evidence for it and all the evidence points instead to the ToE.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 29 of 100 (690553)
02-14-2013 9:28 AM
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02-14-2013 8:54 AM


Re: I disagree with that...
Well, that's a nice list of non sequitors.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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