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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2650 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
There is hardly a soul not aware of the great divide in the culture between Science and the Institution of Public Education in genral while the Institution of Religion teaches a different point of view.
What is the purpose of Public Education if not to bring light and reason to such matter concerning the larger society? Within the Institution of Religion, itself, the seven different perspectives are hardly acknowledged by the b-general opublic. Just the sociological value of present ALL the seven views plus Evolution seems to be sensible behavior. 1) Young Earth creationism Theistic Evolution by and large agrees with science, and differes only with the way other men like Smith, Wesley, Cambell, etc presented their interpretation of Genesis: 1) It is clear that the Universe DID have a beginning, 13.9 billion years ago. 2) The hot spinning molten matter that was to coalesce into the planet Earth was without form: 3) There were seven long Cosmic "days" since that Big Bang, which we call the seven cosmic/geological Eras 4) A Cosmic Dark Age did precede that advent of let there be light to flood the cosmo: 5) There was one ocean, once, where all the waters had been collected together 6) Pangea/Rodinia did actually confirm that the dry land appeared surrounded totally by water 7) The Plant kingdom did establish itself before the Animal kingdom 8) The Sun and the Moon and all the Stars were "MADE," given authority over circadian Earth Time as soon as life appeared: 9) Man WAS the last step in the evolution of Dominant Life on earth. 10) Man HAS managed to form a mental IMAGE of "Father Nature" by understanding of His Laws and creation 11) Gen 5:2 says god called them, the man and his wife, the "Adamites," a species: Gen 5:2 Male and female created he THEM; and blessed THEM, and called THEIR name Adam, (a species), in the day when THEY were created 12) Paleotologists enumerate the same number of 22 now extinct species as listed in the 22 names of the Genesis genealogy from the first man, Adam, thru Noah and his 3 racial Stocks of Shem, Japheth, and Ham. Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.
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Admin Director Posts: 12715 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Thread copied here from the Evolution and the seven Christian hypothesis on Creation ought all be taught thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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subbie Member (Idle past 85 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Of course, that is the only reason to teach any of those things, other than the Theory of Evolution. Certainly none of the others belongs in science class, except as examples of things that aren't science. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Coyote Member (Idle past 936 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Of those, there is evidence for only one--Scientific Evolution. The rest are based on old tribal myths and superstitions, none of which are suitable for public school classrooms outside of comparative religion and similar classes. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5729 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.6
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You missed a few.
Cheonjiwang Bonpuli (a Korean creation myth) Your unevidenced creation myth is no more important or true than any of the others listed. I hope you can see why only Science can be taught in a Science class.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 936 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Good list, but you missed one:
The Creation of Men and Women Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5729 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.6
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Au Contraire. I missed thousands.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5729 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.6 |
BTW, I like this one. Especially the you-getting-yours, twice, part. I 'm jealous.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 936 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Old Man Coyote is often one of the favorite characters, or creator figures, in Native American mythology.
And he is frequently seen as the trickster as well... Hmmmmm. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 46 days) Posts: 16112 Joined: |
Bringing "light and reason" to the subject of, for example, Young Earth Creationism would involve explicitly teaching what's wrong with it, violating the First Amendment.
If it would have value for our sociological understanding, then maybe sociology class would be a good place for it. On the downside, that would give scientifically illiterate sociology teachers apparent license to teach creationist crap, so maybe it's best not to. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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anglagard Member Posts: 2258 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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Yeah, and considering there were over 5,000 identifiable tribes in historic times, I bet you missed a few as well. Well, I'll drop the other shoe for those who won't consider the obvious implication. After teaching every creation story, which would be the legal thing to do -- if you teach one you must teach all or violate the first amendment -- when does one have the time to teach readin', writin' and cypherin' (to put it in terms understandable to the anti-science crowd). Sorry fundies, one science or all myths -- blame your precious founding fathers. Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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SouthDakotaSkeptic Inactive Junior Member |
Science class is for science. Christian, Jewish, Hindu, and other religious creation myths can be discussed as myth in comparative religion, sociology of culture / religion, or even philosophy classes, but they have about as much relevance to the hard sciences as cake has to running marathons.
* Disclaimer: I'm a clueless sociologist. Edited by Finn, : clarification You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 224 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined:
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Hello and welcome from another Finn The point you made should be blatantly obvious but when intelligence gets replaced with religiousness, the problems ensue. The comments from the cretin side are like: "Whatever the Bible says is so; whatever man says may or may not be so - is the only position a Christian can take..." or "If scientific conclusions contradict the word of God, the conclusions are wrong, no matter how many scietific facts may appear to back them." or "Christians must disregard scientific hypotheses or theories that contradict the Bible". Those above are from a textbook "BIOLOGY FOR CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_for_Christian_Schools Scary, very scary.
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Larni Member Posts: 3999 From: Liverpool Joined:
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I have to say I would not like my kids to grow up being taught things that are unscientific (such as 1-7).
Teaching kids that universe runs on magic is not helpful to them. ABE: as I recall from my Sociology Religion is a major component. Kids can learn all about the affects of religion on society; just like I did. Edited by Larni, : ABE The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
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SouthDakotaSkeptic Inactive Junior Member
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quote: Terve! I'm actually not from Finland; I'm a native Michigander of multiracial (European / Native American / African / Asian, but not Finnish as far as I know) descent. "Finn" is simply short for Finley Side note: I should probably spell it "Fin" here to avoid confusion. On-topic note: Creationism is an absurd religious myth that has no place in any science classroom, regardless of the backgrounds of the students or teachers. Edited by Finn, : deleting typos Edited by Finn, : clarification
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