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PaulK
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Message 46 of 52 (690781)
02-16-2013 4:29 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Dr Adequate
02-16-2013 1:07 AM


I think that we need to be a little more cautious. If a griffin were found and proven to be beyond any reasonable explanation in terms of evolutionary theory, then we could certainly say that the griffin had not evolved. I don't think, however, that a singular anomalous species would cast much doubt on the rest of evolutionary theory, or the explanations derived from it - a little, but not much. That is not to say that our understanding of how the griffin came to be might not cast such doubt, but concluding that just from the existence of griffins would be jumping the gun a bit.

The most we could say, given griffins, is that whatever produced griffins might have had a hand in the evolution of other species, but we would need evidence to say that it did, and the anomalous nature of the griffin would be a reason for suspecting that it did not. Given the evidence that we actually have I think that we would stick to current explanations until more evidence came in.


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AZPaul3
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Message 47 of 52 (690782)
02-16-2013 4:36 AM
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02-16-2013 4:24 AM


For me, an actual fucking griffin would do it. But what would do it for you?

Until the fucking details were in, not a fucking thing. And I would have a great deal of fucking confidence that the fucking details would fit the fucking theory.

An experiment suggesting that superluminal travel is possible is not quite on the same plane as finding a fucking griffin.

Yeah, as a fact, it fucking is.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 48 of 52 (690784)
02-16-2013 5:17 AM
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02-16-2013 4:36 AM


Until the fucking details were in, not a fucking thing.

But we are being asked to envisage an actual copulatory event that actually fornicates in an actual lascivious manner. So to speak.

Yeah, as a fact, it fucking is.

Perhaps you could elaborate on this subject. Feel free to decline and conjugate the word "fuck" if that makes you happy.


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AZPaul3
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Message 49 of 52 (690793)
02-16-2013 6:16 AM
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02-16-2013 5:17 AM


Feel free to decline and conjugate the word "fuck" if that makes you happy.

Oh, I thought that was your word.

Yeah, as a fact, it fucking is.

Perhaps you could elaborate on this subject.

Really not much more to say. The body of evidence is exceptional. The theory is too strong. Any benefit of the doubt goes to the theory not the griffin.

But we are being asked to envisage an actual copulatory event that actually fornicates in an actual lascivious manner.

All copulatory events fornicate in a lascivious manner don't they?


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Message 50 of 52 (690801)
02-16-2013 8:22 AM
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02-15-2013 10:21 PM


Re: Can dragons talk?
Dr. A. writes:

Well, this is obviously unworthy of you. If someone pointed out that asteroid DA2012 DA14 had a triangular orbit, and I said that this violated the theory of gravity, would you ask me to underline where in the theory of gravity it mentions that particular asteroid?

Let's look at your statement:

quote:
The bit where someone asserts that the griffin is certainly produced by the processes that comprise the theory of evolution.

No-one has asserted "that the griffin is certainly produced by the processes that comprise the theory of evolution".
I don't see anyone making that claim.
In fact, I see the opposite being claimed: "we could meet the super intelligent alien who faked up the Earth".
So where did you get it from?
If it is mentioned in the ToE then I must have missed it.

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Dr.A. writes:

Panda writes:

Dr. A. writes:

As an extreme example, we could meet the superintelligent alien who faked up the Earth and the evidence for evolution as the alien equivalent of an eighth-grade science project, and she could explain to us that this was a big experiment on us like running rats through a maze.


But, even in your example, evolution would still be true.

Well in that case I'd have to ask: "What is this evolution thing that you maintain is still true"?

It is the same evolution that we often talk about on this forum - and a super intelligent alien creating chimera does not invalidate it.

We saw evolution happening yesterday. We see it happening today. And (if we are not destroyed by the super intelligent aliens) we will see it happening tomorrow.

Edited by Panda, : No reason given.


"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Panda
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Message 51 of 52 (690802)
02-16-2013 8:29 AM
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02-16-2013 6:16 AM


AZPaul writes:

All copulatory events fornicate in a lascivious manner don't they?


No...not after you are married.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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AZPaul3
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Message 52 of 52 (690803)
02-16-2013 8:35 AM
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02-16-2013 8:29 AM


No...not after you are married.

Oh right. I forgot that.

One of the reasons for the divorce. Now the situation has reversed.

Happy days are here again. The skys above are clear again.


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