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Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Message 47 of 83 (733658)
07-19-2014 7:27 PM

RAZD at "Validity of Radiometric Dating" (excess Helium division)

Author: RAZD
Forum: Dates and Dating
Thread: Validity of Radiometric Dating
Message #: 123

It's mostly a copy/paste from "Talk Origins", but it's pretty pointless to rewrite someone elses perfect rebuttal of Humphreys' "excess Helium problem".

Or "Why you shouldn't badly use a bad radiometric dating method to find the age of a rock".

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"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Message 48 of 83 (733701)
07-20-2014 2:07 PM

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07-19-2014 7:27 PM

Capt Stormfield

Thanks Moose.

I would like to nominate Capt Stormfield

Geology and the Great Flood
Growing the Geologic Column
Message 18

Excellent analogy of geological column to historical record patchwork from different locations around the world:

When considering this history, it would be, well, odd to consider an outbreak of typhus in a particular city in France as somehow presenting a challenge to our image of history because it was not recorded in a different city in Italy. To further claim that this occurrence ("intrusion") of typhus ("lava") into the records of the French town was not part of history ("the geological column") would also be odd, to say the least.

Local differences, loss of records by burning (erosion), etc.

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Message 49 of 83 (737194)
09-19-2014 4:12 AM

dwise1 at "The Search for Moderate Islam"

Author: dwise1
Forum: Comparative Religions
Thread: The Search for Moderate Islam
Message #: 106

The last paragraph:

Muslim extremists, Christian extremists. No difference. Except the West has far more experience keeping the Christian extremists in check.

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"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Message 50 of 83 (737907)
10-02-2014 3:07 AM

dwise1 at "Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?"

Author: dwise1
Forum: Education and Creation/Evolution
Thread: Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
Message #: 271

Another dwise1 rerun, but a fine one.

The creationist side gets their wish to have both evolution and creation covered in the same class, and suffer the adverse consequences. The creationist side then gets their wish that the class be shut down.

AND MORE.

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Edited by Minnemooseus, : AND MORE.

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Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

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"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Message 51 of 83 (747710)
01-18-2015 6:47 PM

Jar - Terrible message followed by a good message at "The Search for Moderate Islam"

First the terrible:

Author: Jar
Forum: Comparative Religions
Thread: The Search for Moderate Islam
Message #: 313

It was totally pointless and taught nothing. It is as stupid as a Search for Moderate Islam or moderate Christianity or moderate Buddhism. It seems pointless but it might employ a few folk and so that may be a saving grace.

To which Jon replied:

You're the fifth most active participant in this thread and all you can say now is that the topic is stupid?

To which Jar replied with "the good":

Author: Jar
Forum: Comparative Religions
Thread: The Search for Moderate Islam
Message #: 315

Someone needed to say it. The idea of searching for moderate Islam has got to be one of the silliest threads yet.

Moderate Islam, like moderate Christianity or moderate Buddhism or moderate Sikhism is everywhere. It is all the Muslims that do not make the news, the florists and grocers and lawyers and doctors and teachers and firemen and policemen and Imams and bankers and cab drivers and almost all the Muslims in the US and in the world. It's all the Muslims that just want to feed their families, not get killed, educate their sons and daughters and maybe even buy a new car for the wife to drive.

Now, if only Jar had posted message 315 instead of message 313.

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Please take any discussion of this (as a moderation action) to the General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List') topic.

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Message 52 of 83 (747819)
01-20-2015 5:43 AM

Tangle, at "Atheists can't hold office in the USA?"

Author: Tangle
Forum: Coffee House
Thread: Atheists can't hold office in the USA?
Message #: 100

On the whole theist, atheist, agnostic thing, his message in its entirety says:

I'm just an atheist. I do not believe in god(s). No one has knowledge of god, we only know whether we belief in god or not. The term agnostic is therefore redundant and misleading.

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Message 53 of 83 (747864)
01-20-2015 11:27 AM

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01-20-2015 5:43 AM

Re: Tangle, at "Atheists can't hold office in the USA?"

I would have nominated that post for "Dunce of the Month" if we had such an option.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 54 of 83 (748577)
01-27-2015 6:38 AM

Author: Faith
Forum: Coffee House
Thread: A measured look at a difficult situation
Message #: 191

quote:
OK, I'll take it all back then.

about fucking time..

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Message 55 of 83 (749175)
02-02-2015 3:26 PM

Straggler

Message 366 in that horse beating Atheists can't hold office in the USA?

Not that I agree with his statements, which I do, but for the way he presents and justifies his point.

Straggels nose how to rite. And in such a twisted useless puddle of muck to have such a gem? Thank you, oh god, thank you!

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Message 56 of 83 (758882)
06-05-2015 12:35 AM

MrHambre, at "Cosmos with Neil DeGrass Tyson"

Message 199

An OK message... But it's the first one from him in 10 years!

Welcome back (I think).

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"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Message 57 of 83 (758887)
06-05-2015 5:24 AM

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06-05-2015 12:35 AM

Re: MrHambre, at "Cosmos with Neil DeGrass Tyson"

Thank you, Moose! Nice to be remembered.

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Message 58 of 83 (759726)
06-14-2015 6:24 PM

And another

Mr Hambre @ Message 28 on the Stephen Jay Gould: The Hedgehog, the Fox, and the Magister�s Pox thread.

Even in this thread, people talk about science as if it's synonymous with reality, or that it's self-evident that it's the only source of knowledge worth considering. If scientists like Dawkins and Krauss tell us we're nothing but gene machines or cosmic pollution, then dammit, that's all we are. If there were anything unique or meaningful about human existence, the story goes, science would have detected it by now! The audience for this sort of cheerleading has been groomed by a culture where gadgetry is more important than the arts or humanities, and where our view of what constitutes empirical inquiry is de-historicized and philosophically shallow.

You might want to move the discussion from the |Book Nook| forum to |Is it Science| ...

And yes, welcome back.

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Message 59 of 83 (759910)
06-16-2015 12:23 AM

AZPaul3 In Stephen Jay Gould: The Hedgehog, the Fox, and the Magister�s Pox

This is perfectly phrased.

If you think being a bag of chemicals is bad, well, guess what? You're also an ape! That's right. You're a bag of chemicals and an ape! You're a bunch of chemicals in an ape bag!