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Author Topic:   The Nature of Scepticism
Phat
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Message 4 of 271 (690790)
02-16-2013 5:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
02-15-2013 1:54 PM


Wikipedia
Wikipedia also states that skepticism
quote:
is generally any questioning attitude towards knowledge, facts, or opinions/beliefs stated as facts,[1] or doubt regarding claims that are taken for granted elsewhere.[2]

I certainly wouldn't want to frame skepticism as an absolute fact.

To me it is an opinion and a belief.

To you it is an attitude, no?

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


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Message 5 of 271 (690791)
02-16-2013 5:34 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Dr Adequate
02-16-2013 5:21 AM


Is It Science or Is It Faith/Belief?
Dr.A writes:

Russell was being sarcastic. His point is that this is just ordinary common sense unless one has a vested interest in being wrong.

are we to believe that common sense is always right?

If so, bring it! Im not skeptical that you will.

add by edit: I'm not currently super familiar with Bertrand Russels philosophies, beliefs, and observations... but I am taking some time to study him in the interests of forming some sort of intelligence so as to engage my fellow EvC brethren in a debate/discussion.

Iron sharpens iron, and the only reason that I promoted this topic into Faith/Belief was to allow for a philosophical exchange rather than an absolute framework of logic, reason, and reality. Yes I know, it allows for my pet woo to enter the discussion, but I allow for it to be questioned, challenged, and tossed out by you skeptics!

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Message 8 of 271 (690829)
02-16-2013 1:10 PM
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02-16-2013 12:59 PM


The Fray
Ah I see Phat has joined the fray.....
Yes, I want to contribute, but i must now go work 8 hours.

Ask me a question or two to get me going...after all, its your topic.


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Message 41 of 271 (690936)
02-18-2013 7:34 AM
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02-18-2013 5:45 AM


Re: Straggler's Skeptism, not the real thing
Straggler writes:

Actually both science and skepticism say "Always look but don't naively believe everything you see".

Does science believe anything? Do skeptics reject all quick answers? do they accept any answers at all apart from evidence?

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Message 42 of 271 (690938)
02-18-2013 7:43 AM
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02-16-2013 1:17 PM


Re: The Fray
Straggler writes:

Is skepticism the approach taken by science? Is it paradoxical and subversive?

If we accept skepticism as an approach to considering claims, assertions etc. etc. where does that leave claims of the mystical and supernatural?

Science uses the scientific method, don't they? And would it not also depend on who is making the claims? Extraordinary claims may well require extraordinary evidence, but for me personally, vivid dreams are weak yet possible evidence as well as daily happenings that are beyond random coincidence...though I suppose you will challenge me to explain the difference between..say..a chance encounter and a divine appointment.


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Message 43 of 271 (690939)
02-18-2013 7:51 AM
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02-16-2013 12:56 PM


Re: Wikipedia
Ringo writes:

It's a never-ending process that may get you closer to truth/knowledge but it never gets you "there".

My belief basically boils down to the idea that God exists...regardless of evidence. I suppose that its healthy for me to question my thought processes, but I dont want to end the day with a question regarding Gods interaction with me. One must stand for something or else they will fall for anything!

as far as "there" I would define there as being in communion, or walking in the Spirit, if you will.


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Message 46 of 271 (690968)
02-18-2013 2:55 PM
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02-18-2013 7:56 AM


What Is Crazy?
Straggler writes:

With regard to answers/claims that pertain to any reality that exists external to one's own mind - No. Probably not.

What did you have in mind?

We have another topic on the subject of craziness. What does being crazy really look like?

Also have you watched my video where I talk about "inside and outside"?

Inside & Outside- Broadcast your self LIVE

Edited by Phat, : changed subtitle

Edited by Phat, : added video


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Message 120 of 271 (692080)
02-27-2013 5:03 PM
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02-27-2013 4:17 PM


Re: ... Fundamentalist are those who refuse to acknowledge evidence...
Straggler writes:

how do you decide which conclusion is best reflects reality?

Perhaps you don't. Perhaps determination of reality is not ultimately our decision.

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Message 129 of 271 (692224)
03-01-2013 10:07 AM
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02-28-2013 11:12 AM


Observe The Image or Character
Ringo writes:

The only way we can know what is real and actually exists is by observing it. An "ideal" of what it might be is worthless.

The only way to observe Christ as being real...more than a 3 dimensional concept...is to observe those who claim to have Christ in them.

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Message 130 of 271 (692226)
03-01-2013 10:16 AM
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02-19-2013 11:11 AM


Re: Wikipedia
I suppose there is a huge difference between questioning myself and doubting myself.

Im remaking my videos on Blog TV and continually deleting old videos and making newer ones that more accurately reflect my belief.

My belief is basically the same as it was when I "Got Saved" (Coming into communion with the Creator of all seen and unseen)

But as far as my understanding...it always evolves.

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Message 132 of 271 (692228)
03-01-2013 10:24 AM
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03-01-2013 10:17 AM


sexual behavior
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This is compounded by the hypocrisy of preaching self control over one's sexual behavior and urges, (as evidenced within the RCC, but equally as wide spread in every religious group including the Rabbi and ministers of the denominational Protestants, they attack the very science that could support their medieval bible teachings simply because their loyalty to their particular Faith has always taught Genesis that way).

Lets get real for a moment. Sexual behavior is human. Humans can control what they choose to do...within reason. The issue is not gay or straight. The issue is not promiscuity...apart from commitment. Quite frankly, we were never meant to be polygamists. The issue is male and female. The problem with sexual pleasure devoid of personal responsibility is a matter of idolatry.

Deut 4:15-20 writes:


Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars--all the heavenly array--do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.

The sin of any sexual obsession or habit is one of idolatry. Bowing down to the human rather than the Divine. Is anyone skeptical of this truth?

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Message 189 of 271 (715579)
01-07-2014 1:34 PM
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01-07-2014 6:09 AM


Re: same old same old
straggler writes:

Your 'world view' is of no consequence to reality. Reality doesn’t care about your ‘world view’.

Meanwhile a sceptical approach is about reliably discerning what is likely to be real and what isn’t.

Do me a favor. Bring your skeptical philosophy over to this new guys topic.
Science, Religion, God – Let’s just be honest

By the way...can reality "care" about anything?


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