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Coyote
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Message 11 of 271 (690835)
02-16-2013 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Straggler
02-16-2013 1:17 PM


Evidence
Is skepticism the approach taken by science? Is it paradoxical and subversive?

If we accept skepticism as an approach to considering claims, assertions etc. etc. where does that leave claims of the mystical and supernatural?

Skepticism is merely a request for evidence, and evidence is one of the cornerstones of science. We fold, spindle, and mutilate the evidence to see if it holds up, and we try to explain it using theory.

Claims of the mystical and supernatural? So far these come up short on the evidence. That's why religions rely on faith and belief.

That's the exact opposite of science, by the way.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers


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Message 14 of 271 (690845)
02-16-2013 8:19 PM
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02-16-2013 7:48 PM


Re: Evidence
People doubted Gen 1:1 was either supported by fact or ever woukd be, until Hubbke gathered the eviidence for a Big Bang beginning.

I am really skeptical that Iron Age sheep herders had the big bang in mind when those particular tracts were written down.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers


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Message 86 of 271 (691543)
02-22-2013 9:31 PM


On Proof
Proof: Except for math and geometry, there is little that is actually proved. Even well-established scientific theories can't be conclusively proved, because--at least in principle--a counter-example might be discovered. Scientific theories are always accepted provisionally, and are regarded as reliable only because they are supported (not proved) by the verifiable facts they purport to explain and by the predictions which they successfully make. All scientific theories are subject to revision (or even rejection) if new data are discovered which necessitates this.

Proof: A term from logic and mathematics describing an argument from premise to conclusion using strictly logical principles. In mathematics, theorems or propositions are established by logical arguments from a set of axioms, the process of establishing a theorem being called a proof.

The colloquial meaning of "proof" causes lots of problems in physics discussion and is best avoided. Since mathematics is such an important part of physics, the mathematician's meaning of proof should be the only one we use. Also, we often ask students in upper level courses to do proofs of certain theorems of mathematical physics, and we are not asking for experimental demonstration!

So, in a laboratory report, we should not say "We proved Newton's law" Rather say, "Today we demonstrated (or verified) the validity of Newton's law in the particular case of..." Source


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers


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Message 89 of 271 (691552)
02-22-2013 10:18 PM
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02-22-2013 10:00 PM


Re: On Proof
And actually, proofs are very common in photography too.

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Message 91 of 271 (691559)
02-23-2013 1:05 AM
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02-22-2013 11:16 PM


Re: On Proof
Few minutes in the darkroom would do it.

Problem is, haven't used a darkroom in over 10 years--its all Photoshop now.


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Message 127 of 271 (692191)
02-28-2013 9:13 PM
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02-28-2013 8:08 PM


Re: ... Fundamentalist are those who refuse to acknowledge evidence...
We gather the evidence in order to describe the ever unfolding Reality and avoid the insanity of living in some fantasy based upon ideas that are not true.

Creationists aren't going to like that comment!


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers


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Message 215 of 271 (716980)
01-22-2014 9:59 PM


Hmmmmm
Pedant -- a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning.

  
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