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Message 143 of 195 (351425)
09-22-2006 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Faith
09-22-2006 4:48 PM


Re: evolution and Christianity
1) The clear logical apprehension that evolution and the Bible cannot both be true. The illogical thing is those who try to hold onto both.
I disagree with that.
It is very clear that the Adam and Eve story is a fable, not history. However, that is perfectly clear without evolution. It is already wrong on the physics.
It is likewise clear that the Noah story is a fable, not history. That, too, does not require evolution. It is quite clear that the flood story is inconsistent with the observed distribution of species. It was certainly clear to this Australian born person, long before I had heard of evolution.
If you cannot deal with parts of the Bible being fables, then you should junk Christianity right now. And evolution has nothing to do with it. But if you look to the Bible for spiritual messages, and don't expect it to be literal history, then evolution has nothing to say that contradicts Christianity.
I'll agree that biologists are more likely to be atheists than are scientists in other areas. In my opinion, that has more to do with the pain and suffering that the see as part of the natural world, than it has to do with evolution.
The bigger threat to Christianity is from 20th century creationism. It demonstrates that Christianity is a breeding ground for charlatans and con men.

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Message 147 of 195 (351436)
09-22-2006 5:44 PM
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09-22-2006 5:24 PM


Re: evolution and Christianity
The problem is that the ToE outright contradicts essential parts of God's revelation, ...
The natural world is itself part of God's revelation. If what is in the Bible contradicts what can be observed in the natural world, then it is those parts of the Bible that contradict essential parts of God's revelation.

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Message 164 of 195 (351575)
09-23-2006 11:42 AM
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09-23-2006 10:39 AM


Re: evolution and Christianity
I was under the impression that physicists were the group of scientists with the largest fraction of atheists. But I may be mistaken.
I was unable to find the link. There are periodic surveys, and biologist showed up as a higher percent atheist in these surveys.
It is my impression that physicists are a bit more likely than other scientists, to support creationism of the deist variety. This is usually based on some kind of fine tuning argument.

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Message 166 of 195 (351581)
09-23-2006 12:17 PM
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09-23-2006 11:59 AM


belief was about 40% in all groups.
That seems to match my memory.
I have also read, but cannot find the references, that the scientists least likely to believe in any form of the supernatural are psychologists.
I don't know of any statistics. However, psychologists are the most aware of the possibility of self-delusion or auto-hypnosis as an explanation of religious experience.
Some fundamentalists will also admit to there being psychological explanation. They will use such an explanation for religious experience in mormonism, new-age religion, or some other "heresy", but will insist that it is the holy spirit for their own particular favored variant of theology.

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