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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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But we know for a fact and you have been shown Faith that what you claim is simply bullshit. We have examples of human genes that were contemporary with Adam if Adam had actually existed and from even thousands of years before Adam and they show that human and animal and plant and bug genes were pretty much the same before and after the imaginary Fall or Floods.
The reality and truth is that there never was a "Fall" or either of the "Biblical Floods" and it's time you stopped using falsehoods and nonsense and tried truth and reality.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I think that would depend on how far the processes of evolution have gone, because after a time of inbreeding of a new subpopulation its genome would have changed, developing its own gene frequencies, losing alleles that don't get passed on, increasing others and so on, so that even if hybridization is still possible it probably won't recover the original genetic situation exactly. But quite a bit should be recovered nevertheless. If not, it will develop a new breed anyway. Faith, you keep forgetting (or ignoring) the fact that there is absolutely no need to speculate about any of this, we can and have simply examined samples of genomes from before the supposed Floods and even before the supposed Fall and we find that the genomes are not much different than today. That is true for humans and lions and tigers and bears and ohmys and mushrooms and cedar and wheat and deer and every single example we have ever examined. You have been shown this evidence repeatedly but simply continue to deny reality.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Your dating methods are highly suspect, and you really haven't "shown" me evidence. Again you simply deny fact and reality. The dating methods are not suspect at all and in fact you rely on those dating methods daily. All of the timing these days are based on the very same principles as used for the dating; the constancy of radioactive decay. And yes, you have been shown evidence and I will happily point you towards Looking for the Super-Genome. -And it ain't found as an example. The fact is that you position has been proven to be as wrong as your assertion of the "Fall" and that one of the "Biblical Floods" ever happened. Just as you deny what the Bible actually says you continue to deny what even reality says. But fortunately your fantasies have nothing to do with reality and nonsense like the "Fall" or some imagined "Biblical Flood" have no place in science or a discussion about reality or biology.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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The fact that Faith rejects scientific dating methods as inaccurate does not have anything to do with the fact that Otzi lived at least 5300 years ago or the fact that Otzi's genome as well as the genetic traces of the food he ate, the plants he was exposed to, the clothes he wore and tools and supplies he carried totally refute her contention that the human genome was more complex before the imaginary flood.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The evidence seems to show that Homo Neanderthal and Homo Sapiens sapiens were isolated for tens if not hundreds of thousands of years yet also shows that the two distinct species could and did interbreed.
Is this evidence that isolation alone is not sufficient to prevent interbreeding even when dealing with two or more closely related but separate species?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Hence it seems that Neanderthals and Sapiens first took their time to diverge in separate regions, only later to meet each other. Yet still were not just capable of interbreeding but actually did breed together.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Which is answered I think: the previous 140,000 years of ecological and geographical isolation before their encounter in the Middle East between the H. sapiens and H. Neanderthal populations apparently did not suffice to establish reproductive isolation. So is 140,000 a longer period of time than the 4400 years or so since the claimed Biblical Flood or even the 6000 years or so since the claimed Fall?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
My point is pretty simple. If as the evidence shows modern Homo Sapiens sapiens and Homo Neanderthals were capable of breeding and producing fertile offspring (even if only on the maternal line) then somehow that needs to be incorporated into the Biblical Creation or Biblical Floods explanation. Was Adam the Homo Neanderthals or was Noah the Homo Neanderthals? If the latter then where in the genealogy did the Homo Neanderthals join the family? How can this be consolidated into only 4400 or even 6000 years? Maybe Eve or Noah's wife Naamah (after all she was the sister of a descendant of Cain) was the Homo Neanderthals.
How did that mating of Homo Sapiens sapiens and Homo Neanderthals cause a reduction in genetic diversity? Inquiring minds want to know. Biblical Creationism and Biblical Floods genetics is so much fun.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: I continue to think it possible that a daughter population of the same species could lose the ability to interbreed with the others. We understand that you keep making such claims but can a human whose ancestors has lived for uncounted generations, hundreds of thousands of years, in Africa still breed with a human whose ancestors have lived in North America for at least ten thousand years?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Would lactose tolerance be a clear example of a mutation that increased genetic diversity and can be shown to actually be beneficial?
Would sickle cell anemia be a clear example of a mutation that increased genetic diversity and can be shown to actually be beneficial?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Wouldn't that also be true in the case of Lactose Tolerance?
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't think so. The thing about sickle-cell anaemia is that it is the heterozygous condition that is beneficial (in malarial regions). I haven't heard that said about lactase persistence. But during periods of famine lactase persistence would provide another source of food (raw unprocessed milk) so that those who had the trait would benefit.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
During periods of famine, yes there would be a distinct advantage and so those who lack the trait would be selected.
Would not selection actually help fix the lactase persistent trait in the population which would add diversity overall.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
PaulK writes: Apparently prayer is no substitute for making the effort to understand what you are talking about. Yup; Pray in one hand and spit in the other. See which one gets filled first. Pray never trumps reality I fear. But yet again, Faith has NEVER provided the evidence to support "genetic depletion" (whatever that actually means) or explain why genetics shows that folk living at the same time as Adam and even thousands of years before Adam show pretty much the same genetic signature as folk living today or why there is no evidence of the genetic depletion that had to have occurred if either of the Biblical Floods had actually happened and not been just fantasy.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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