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Author Topic:   What is religion good for?
robinrohan
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Message 10 of 40 (252558)
10-18-2005 12:24 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by crashfrog
10-17-2005 10:07 PM


Re: What it's not good for
Does religion impoverish society, or do impoverished societies turn to religion? Or both? Not within the scope of the paper, as far as I can tell. It simply rebuts the notion that religion is a "civilizing" or enmoraling influence.
Funny, Crashfrog, if we look at history, how we've been down this road before. Remember the big atheistic, communistic movement? I seem to have some memory of that (well, historical memory).
Isn't it strange how things get all mixed up? But that's what happened in the first half of the 20th century. What a time that was.
But it didn't quite work out, did it?

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robinrohan
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Message 23 of 40 (252722)
10-18-2005 11:25 AM
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10-18-2005 7:35 AM


Re: What it's not good for
Those movements weren't atheist or humanist; they deified the state and the party.
They were officially atheistic.

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robinrohan
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Message 25 of 40 (252851)
10-18-2005 8:03 PM
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10-18-2005 6:44 PM


Re: What it's not good for
And in practice, those nations were theocracies - governments that mandated worship of the state and the leader of the party. They did, after all, outlaw religion. Why would an atheist state do that?
The way you are using the term "theocracy" is mighty broad, Crashfrog. They did not believe in the supernatural--it was not a "religion" unless you use the term in an excessively generalized sense.

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robinrohan
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Message 27 of 40 (252856)
10-18-2005 8:23 PM
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10-18-2005 8:18 PM


Worshipping a state believed to hold supernatural powers ofRe: What it's not good for
Worshipping a state believed to hold supernatural powers of influence, survelliance, and literally power over life and death, certainly constitutes a religion to anybody, presuming that person is not like you - an ideologue slavishly determined to tar all atheists with the brush of socialist atrocity.
Or maybe it's the other way around. Maybe Crashfrog's line of thought is: Religion is bad; communism is bad; therefore, communism must be a religion.

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robinrohan
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Message 29 of 40 (252859)
10-18-2005 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by crashfrog
10-18-2005 8:26 PM


Re: Worshipping a state believed to hold supernatural powers ofRe: What it's not good for
Or is it your intention then to simply abandon the discussion? Don't blame you.
I deny that communism is a religion. I maintain that calling communism a "religion" is a misuse of the term. If you use it in that way, you could call any firm, dogmatic belief or system a religion. One could call the figure of "Uncle Sam" a God if you want to, but it's not a legitimate use of the term as traditionally defined.
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robinrohan
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Message 31 of 40 (252865)
10-18-2005 8:54 PM
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10-18-2005 8:46 PM


Re: Worshipping a state believed to hold supernatural powers ofRe: What it's not good for
But I challenge you to find any post of mine where communism is said to be a religion.
Some kind of word-trickery, I guess--some sleight-of-hand distinction you are smuggling in.

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robinrohan
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Message 33 of 40 (252868)
10-18-2005 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by nwr
10-18-2005 9:03 PM


Re: Worshipping a state believed to hold supernatural powers ofRe: What it's not good
Are you a moderator?

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robinrohan
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Message 36 of 40 (252885)
10-18-2005 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by nwr
10-18-2005 9:10 PM


Re: Worshipping a state believed to hold supernatural powers ofRe: What it's not good
My apologies for wandering.
The aim was to understand what attracts people to fundamentalist religions
In my view, fundamentalism is a political movement, not only a religious movement. People are attracted because they look out at the world and they think they see a corrupted morality.
ABE: Or perhaps fundamentalism is a form of communism. Some people think communism is a "religion." People often misuse words for argumentative purposes. It's like baiting.
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