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Author Topic:   Christianity is Morally Bankrupt
ringo
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Message 269 of 652 (715352)
01-04-2014 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Phat
12-31-2013 4:42 PM


Re: Depends on the bylaws of the Chapter of Club Christian
Phat writes:
I wonder what the look on your face will be if your credentials are challenged at the front door??
"Do you accept Jesus"?
I wouldn't even bother standing in line. That place doesn't look like it's worth waiting to get in.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 402 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 279 of 652 (715420)
01-05-2014 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Phat
01-04-2014 11:45 AM


Re: Spare Change Mentality.
Phat writes:
Lets assume that,largely due to complaints such as yours, God allowed you other lines to stand in.
What I'm saying is that the whole concept of God "allowing" lines to stand in is unacceptable. God can drag me in in chains if He wants to but I will not volunteer.
Where's my "free will" to abstain?
Phat writes:
If GOD exists, how do you expect to be judged?
As I've said in many other threads, I would expect God to judge me according to how I treat His people (and His creation in general) - and by "His people" I do NOT mean the jaywill definition of an elite clique. I mean ALL people.
What else could I do "for" God?
Phat writes:
All I know is I don't deserve to be broke...
Who does?
Edited by ringo, : Doubled a quote (double the fun).

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 280 of 652 (715421)
01-05-2014 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Phat
01-05-2014 8:12 AM


Re: Club Christian god deserves pity?
Phat writes:
Using logic, the Creator of all seen and unseen would not steer us wrong.
He steered the dinosaurs wrong.

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ringo
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Message 283 of 652 (715426)
01-05-2014 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by Phat
01-05-2014 1:34 PM


Re: Spare Change Mentality.
Phat writes:
What makes you have this desire to choose your destiny?
It isn't a desire. It's a responsibility.
Phat writes:
Could it be that you have a little bit of that desire to be your own Creator?
You just said, "You didnt have a choice to exist in the first place." Make up your mind.
My parents may or may not have created me by choice. Now that I am grown up I have a responsibility to live my own life, not to be a dependent.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 290 of 652 (715954)
01-10-2014 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 286 by Phat
01-09-2014 5:45 PM


Re: learn how to use reason and logic
Phat writes:
GOD may very well communicate with every sub species in the language that they can handle.
So is the Whale Bible written in krill?

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ringo
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Message 300 of 652 (867227)
11-22-2019 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 298 by Phat
11-22-2019 3:25 AM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Phat writes:
If all of these various beliefs are allowed in Heaven, will there then be a universal consensus in that place?
Well, apparently the ones who don't believe in feeding the hungry, etc. won't be let in.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 302 of 652 (867230)
11-22-2019 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 301 by Phat
11-22-2019 12:00 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Romans 12:2 writes:
... be transformed by the renewing of your mind....
How do you propose to renew your mind if you're not allowed to use it?
Phat writes:
Just because you go feed the hungry and do altruistic acts of service, the implication is that to be a Christian implies sacrificing your free willed individualism.
The implication is that you change from a goat that bleats, "Lord! Lord!" to a sheep.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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ringo
Member (Idle past 402 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 315 of 652 (867507)
11-26-2019 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by Phat
11-25-2019 3:50 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Phat writes:
Why can't some scriptures be interpreted with what we know or think we know about the character of God and the motives of the serpent, (for instance).
Because what you think you know about the character of God and the serpent is bullshit.
Phat writes:
On the one hand, you urge us to use our minds. Then when we do...
But you don't. You swallow hook, line and sinker what the apologists are feeding you. You don't make any attempt to understand what they're actually saying.
Phat writes:
... you accuse us of using the text to support our arguments...
On the contrary, i accuse you of ignoring the text, even contradicting the text. Have you read any of my posts at all? I keep asking you to use the text to support your assertion (not arguments) and you never do it.
Phat writes:
You are quite authoritarian on the insistence of the plain meaning.
It's not at all "authoritarian" to point out that the text says what it says. You're the one who appeals to the authority of apologists.
Phat writes:
So why do so few agree with you?
As I've pointed out to you before, you're the one who's in the minority. Christianity is a minority religion and fundamentalism is a minor Christian cult.
Phat writes:
Do you wanna know what I think? Its because you twist the whole story.
Then show how i have twisted anything.
Phat writes:
You cant make up a learning-on-the-job god character and still call yourself a believer.
I don't call myself a believer.
But you're talking about people who believe in the apologists, not people who believe in the Bible - because the Bible does clearly depict a God who is capable of learning.
Phat writes:
God either knows what He is doing or He doesn't.
If He has a mind, He should be capable of changing it.
Phat writes:
Also, you don't read the book as if God is simply some character in the literature.
But He is. And the Bible is literature.
Phat writes:
That is unless you are a secular scholar using critical exegesis to begin with.
You don't have to be secular or a scholar to read the Bible honestly. You do have to be honest. Why don't you try that?

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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ringo
Member (Idle past 402 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 316 of 652 (867508)
11-26-2019 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 305 by Phat
11-25-2019 5:22 PM


Re: Subjective Experience: Meeting The Presence
Phat writes:
You questioned what transformation means.
I can't help but wonder, if Faith is such a screaming harpy now, what must she have been like before she was "transformed"?

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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ringo
Member (Idle past 402 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 319 of 652 (867540)
11-27-2019 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 317 by Phat
11-27-2019 10:36 AM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Phat writes:
Fact: You are not a believer.
Irrelevant.
Phat writes:
Why must you insist that I dont understand it, implying that you do?
As long as you post nonsense, I will point out that it's nonsense.
Phat writes:
You cant claim simply that the book must mean a certain thing except for what it means to you.
I make no claims about what the book "means". I only point out what it says. If anybody, whether you or your apologist idols, claim it doesn't mean what it says, the onus is entirely on you to back up that claim.
Phat writes:
You still need to explain why that is dishonest.
How is it not dishonest to make up "spiritual death"?
Phat writes:
Do I go telling you how you should interpret Treasure Island?
I have told you, I don't interpret Treasure Island. I read what it says.
Phat writes:
And many people can get many different things from the story.
Feel free to point some out.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 322 of 652 (867548)
11-27-2019 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 321 by Phat
11-27-2019 3:14 PM


Re: Mainstream Christian Belief
Phat writes:
We are discussing what mainstream Christianity believes.
Are we? Why would we do that? Is anybody here unaware of what mainstream Christianity teaches?

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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ringo
Member (Idle past 402 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 325 of 652 (867551)
11-27-2019 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by Phat
11-27-2019 3:36 PM


Re: Mainstream Christian Belief
Phat writes:
I was never aware that it taught that God was a growing character and lied at times.
Well, now you are.
Phat writes:
I was never taught that the snake was a truth-telling plot device. That sounds more fringe than mainstream to me.
It doesn't really matter what it "sounds like" to you. It is what it is. Instead of clinging to myths that you think are "mainstream", why don't you read the bible honestly?

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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ringo
Member (Idle past 402 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 343 of 652 (867580)
11-28-2019 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 329 by Phat
11-27-2019 4:22 PM


Re: Mainstream Christian Belief
Phat writes:
All I am telling you is that the way I was taught is mainstream.
Jesus wasn't too impressed by the "mainstream":
quote:
Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Phat writes:
And it makes sense to me.
Because you never question it.
Phat writes:
You are free to argue that what the Bible says is mainstream, but the way you and jar describe some of the stories, I can tell you it isn't mainstream.
The mainstream is wrong. See above.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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ringo
Member (Idle past 402 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 344 of 652 (867581)
11-28-2019 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 340 by Phat
11-28-2019 9:03 AM


Re: Learning On The Job 101
Phat writes:
Others of us hold to the view that belief requires standing on certain precepts and not discarding them easily.
You shouldn't be standing on anything that hasn't been tested. Did you ever work on construction?

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 379 of 652 (867621)
11-29-2019 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 370 by Phat
11-29-2019 4:25 AM


Re: Mainstream Christian Belief
Phat writes:
What makes you conclude that an all-powerful God has a moral obligation to use His power to make your life perfect and pain-free?
Why would an all-powerful God have lower moral standards than we do? We put a lot of effort into making life perfect and pain-free. Why can't He keep up?
Phat writes:
Essentially by demanding such a response should such an option be available, you are playing God yourself.
We are imagining what a God would be like if there was one - at least if there was one worth paying any attention to. The god that you market isn't plausible.
Phat writes:
And your outrage over the very idea that an all-powerful God would have to subscribe to your morality to be considered good is itself outrageous.
Again, why would an all-powerful God have moral standards lower than ours?

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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