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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I wouldn't even bother standing in line. That place doesn't look like it's worth waiting to get in.
I wonder what the look on your face will be if your credentials are challenged at the front door??"Do you accept Jesus"?
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What I'm saying is that the whole concept of God "allowing" lines to stand in is unacceptable. God can drag me in in chains if He wants to but I will not volunteer. Lets assume that,largely due to complaints such as yours, God allowed you other lines to stand in. Where's my "free will" to abstain?
Phat writes:
As I've said in many other threads, I would expect God to judge me according to how I treat His people (and His creation in general) - and by "His people" I do NOT mean the jaywill definition of an elite clique. I mean ALL people. If GOD exists, how do you expect to be judged? What else could I do "for" God?
Phat writes:
Who does? All I know is I don't deserve to be broke... Edited by ringo, : Doubled a quote (double the fun).
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
He steered the dinosaurs wrong.
Using logic, the Creator of all seen and unseen would not steer us wrong.
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It isn't a desire. It's a responsibility.
What makes you have this desire to choose your destiny? Phat writes:
You just said, "You didnt have a choice to exist in the first place." Make up your mind. Could it be that you have a little bit of that desire to be your own Creator? My parents may or may not have created me by choice. Now that I am grown up I have a responsibility to live my own life, not to be a dependent.
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
So is the Whale Bible written in krill?
GOD may very well communicate with every sub species in the language that they can handle.
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Well, apparently the ones who don't believe in feeding the hungry, etc. won't be let in. If all of these various beliefs are allowed in Heaven, will there then be a universal consensus in that place?"If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Romans 12:2 writes:
How do you propose to renew your mind if you're not allowed to use it?
... be transformed by the renewing of your mind.... Phat writes:
The implication is that you change from a goat that bleats, "Lord! Lord!" to a sheep. Just because you go feed the hungry and do altruistic acts of service, the implication is that to be a Christian implies sacrificing your free willed individualism."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Because what you think you know about the character of God and the serpent is bullshit.
Why can't some scriptures be interpreted with what we know or think we know about the character of God and the motives of the serpent, (for instance). Phat writes:
But you don't. You swallow hook, line and sinker what the apologists are feeding you. You don't make any attempt to understand what they're actually saying.
On the one hand, you urge us to use our minds. Then when we do... Phat writes:
On the contrary, i accuse you of ignoring the text, even contradicting the text. Have you read any of my posts at all? I keep asking you to use the text to support your assertion (not arguments) and you never do it.
... you accuse us of using the text to support our arguments... Phat writes:
It's not at all "authoritarian" to point out that the text says what it says. You're the one who appeals to the authority of apologists.
You are quite authoritarian on the insistence of the plain meaning. Phat writes:
As I've pointed out to you before, you're the one who's in the minority. Christianity is a minority religion and fundamentalism is a minor Christian cult.
So why do so few agree with you? Phat writes:
Then show how i have twisted anything.
Do you wanna know what I think? Its because you twist the whole story. Phat writes:
I don't call myself a believer. You cant make up a learning-on-the-job god character and still call yourself a believer. But you're talking about people who believe in the apologists, not people who believe in the Bible - because the Bible does clearly depict a God who is capable of learning.
Phat writes:
If He has a mind, He should be capable of changing it.
God either knows what He is doing or He doesn't. Phat writes:
But He is. And the Bible is literature.
Also, you don't read the book as if God is simply some character in the literature. Phat writes:
You don't have to be secular or a scholar to read the Bible honestly. You do have to be honest. Why don't you try that? That is unless you are a secular scholar using critical exegesis to begin with."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I can't help but wonder, if Faith is such a screaming harpy now, what must she have been like before she was "transformed"? You questioned what transformation means."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Irrelevant.
Fact: You are not a believer. Phat writes:
As long as you post nonsense, I will point out that it's nonsense.
Why must you insist that I dont understand it, implying that you do? Phat writes:
I make no claims about what the book "means". I only point out what it says. If anybody, whether you or your apologist idols, claim it doesn't mean what it says, the onus is entirely on you to back up that claim.
You cant claim simply that the book must mean a certain thing except for what it means to you. Phat writes:
How is it not dishonest to make up "spiritual death"?
You still need to explain why that is dishonest. Phat writes:
I have told you, I don't interpret Treasure Island. I read what it says.
Do I go telling you how you should interpret Treasure Island? Phat writes:
Feel free to point some out. And many people can get many different things from the story."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Are we? Why would we do that? Is anybody here unaware of what mainstream Christianity teaches? We are discussing what mainstream Christianity believes."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Well, now you are.
I was never aware that it taught that God was a growing character and lied at times. Phat writes:
It doesn't really matter what it "sounds like" to you. It is what it is. Instead of clinging to myths that you think are "mainstream", why don't you read the bible honestly? I was never taught that the snake was a truth-telling plot device. That sounds more fringe than mainstream to me."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Jesus wasn't too impressed by the "mainstream": All I am telling you is that the way I was taught is mainstream.quote: Phat writes:
Because you never question it.
And it makes sense to me. Phat writes:
The mainstream is wrong. See above. You are free to argue that what the Bible says is mainstream, but the way you and jar describe some of the stories, I can tell you it isn't mainstream."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You shouldn't be standing on anything that hasn't been tested. Did you ever work on construction? Others of us hold to the view that belief requires standing on certain precepts and not discarding them easily."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Why would an all-powerful God have lower moral standards than we do? We put a lot of effort into making life perfect and pain-free. Why can't He keep up?
What makes you conclude that an all-powerful God has a moral obligation to use His power to make your life perfect and pain-free? Phat writes:
We are imagining what a God would be like if there was one - at least if there was one worth paying any attention to. The god that you market isn't plausible.
Essentially by demanding such a response should such an option be available, you are playing God yourself. Phat writes:
Again, why would an all-powerful God have moral standards lower than ours? And your outrage over the very idea that an all-powerful God would have to subscribe to your morality to be considered good is itself outrageous."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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