quote:All I am telling you is that the way I was taught is mainstream. And it makes sense to me. You are free to argue that what the Bible says is mainstream, but the way you and jar describe some of the stories, I can tell you it isn't mainstream.
Mainstream among the uneducated Christians who don’t really study the Bible, perhaps. But there is far more to the mainstream than that.
quote:Of course, a "God" who was learning on the job would gain progressive understanding right along with the humans
But that’s not what is being described here. Progresive Revelation is the idea that the message is adjusted for those who receive it. GDR’s progressive understanding is the idea that humans got the message wrong, but get better at it.
If you want to reject Progressive Revelation altigether you have to make quite a lot of the laws “understanding” and none of them revelation tailored to the people and the times.
quote:The God meme in all of us would be the revelation part but there are still all those other memes that we get from our culture, and from our our own selfish nature, that obviously also impact our understanding.
That’s pretty unlikely. I don’t think that it is at all plausible that there is a “God meme” that comes from revelation to everyone.
quote:I'm not sure about that. The discussion seemed to be primarily about the nature of God, and how that effects our nature, and that is what I was responding to. I just don't see the concept of right and wrong, good and ****, and knowing the difference, as being a special revelation
You don’t think that the laws reflect the character of the lawgiver, in any way? Don’t you think the fact that some of them are not at all right? And detailed laws, supposedly coming straight from God would surely be a “special revelation”
quote:Doesn't everyone have a conscience, whether they pay any attention to it or not?
A conscience isn’t a God meme, or even a meme at all.
quote:You are assuming that they come straight from God, in which case of course they should reflect the character of the law giver, and be a special revelation. However if they come from an individual's understanding of the nature of God then they may or may not be accurate.
I’m not assuming any such thing. I leave both possibilities open. And that is the point. If the laws are revelation you really do need an element of Progressive Revelation.
quote:Well, a meme is a metaphor. We have a myriad of influences in our lives and I am simply asserting that God is one of them.
But a meme is not simply an influence. A meme is an idea that is passed from one person to another. Not that I see any reason to think that “God” is an influence (although various ideas of God do qualify as memes).
quote:I am simply suggesting that in a world that is subject to entropy and decay, and an evolutionary process that requires mutations to progress, we have a world where mental illness, cancer and natural disasters can evolve.
Which is less than half an answer. The main part would be to explain why God would create such a world.
quote:With that in mind I then can only believe that God has limitations in His relation to this world.
Since this world is - supposedly - entirely created by God, any limits would be either fundamental or self-inflicted.
Psychopaths can appear normal, even charming. Underneath, they lack any semblance of conscience.
A key difference between a psychopath and a sociopath is whether he has a conscience, the little voice inside that lets us know when we’re doing something wrong, says L. Michael Tompkins, EdD. He's a psychologist at the Sacramento County Mental Health Treatment Center.
A psychopath doesn’t have a conscience. If he lies to you so he can steal your money, he won’t feel any moral qualms, though he may pretend to. He may observe others and then act the way they do so he’s not “found out,” Tompkins says.