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Topic: Christianity is Morally Bankrupt
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NoNukes
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Message 153 of 652 (694951)
03-31-2013 10:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 151 by Tangle
03-31-2013 10:26 AM
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Re: It's all about the heart
But saying "I don't know" to the question about whether a good person can be sent to hell should really set all sorts of alarm bells off. GDR did not say that he did not know whether a good person could be sent to hell. Given his beliefs, how could he have given that response? You asked instead whether a good non-believing person could go to heaven. Totally different question.
not least the fact that the bible itself is pretty clear on the fact. Is it? The Bible makes it clear that it ain't easy to get to heaven, even for those who profess love for Jesus.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes
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Message 157 of 652 (694959)
03-31-2013 1:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 155 by Tangle
03-31-2013 11:18 AM
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Re: It's all about the heart
This is what he answered The direct answer is I have no idea, but if you read my last post it would be obvious that I don't see you being excluded from life with God based on your theological beliefs. Your assumption is that if you are not going to heaven you are going to hell. That's a bad assumption in my view.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes
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Message 160 of 652 (694962)
03-31-2013 3:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 159 by Tangle
03-31-2013 2:41 PM
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Re: It's all about the heart
However, I don't have to assume anything on behalf of GDR because GDR has already told us that his belief is that hell is not being in heaven. In short, there is no hell. What do you believe happens to you when you die? If that ends up being your fate but not GDR's fate, what evil has been done to you?
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes
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Message 173 of 652 (694978)
03-31-2013 5:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 170 by Tangle
03-31-2013 5:37 PM
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Re: It's all about the heart
he result is the same - separation form god is the worst punishment a believer can imagine. Apparently. Surely you jest. I imagine that being tied to a rock for all eternity and having poison dripped in your eyes as myths say was the punishment for Prometheus is much worse. I imagine that the tortures described in Dante's Inferno are much worse. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes
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Re: Do Unto Others
As this can fall apart in these ridiculous scenarios Except that it was not the rule that fell apart in your scenarios. You simply misapplied the golden rule in a silly mechanical way that everybody knows is wrong. The golden rule does not suggest that you should your mom an X-box for Mother's day because that's what you'd like. Neither does the rule tell us to get an addict more booze and crack because that's what he's sure he'd like. And I think that all of us, including you, know these things.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes
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Message 248 of 652 (696626)
04-17-2013 11:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 247 by Sombra
04-17-2013 11:27 AM
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Re: it's all about knowledge and honesty.
There is no "right and wrong", there are only unskillful actions that prolong dissatisfaction and skillfull actions that bring happiness. It does not matter what you believe, if you do unskillful actions you suffer, and those actions can be thoughts, words or bodily actions. We typically call people who act on such a standard psychopaths. And we don't need the Bible to tell us to do so.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes
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Re: it's all about knowledge and honesty.
Now, you want to object to this because (for example) you don't want serial killers to be happy by doing serial killing. Well the example of skillful actions I had in mind was picking pockets. I don't believe a pickpockets skill and success makes them miserable. Getting caught might. I don't even believe that serial murders, to the extent that they are not psychopaths are happy. But psychopaths by definition are not made unhappy by what makes functioning people unhappy. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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