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Parasomnium
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Message 82 of 196 (393384)
04-04-2007 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Rob
04-03-2007 9:52 AM


Just fear of the consequences?
Rob writes:

It is really only fear that keeps us in check. Fear of consequence. And rightly so. Just as I fear jumping off tall buildings. Without consequence, or fear of it, all hell would be unleashed.

Is this a sane position? Your only reason for not going around pillaging, raping and murdering, is fear of the consequences? For goodness' sake man, how can you live with yourself? What a dreadful state of mind you must be in.

And how do you explain all the good things people do? If it is true that people only refrain from doing bad things because they fear the consequences, then they are in no disposition to do good things, wouldn't you think? They would only be inclined to do bad things, and solely kept from doing them because of fear, right? Then why do people do good things?

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"I get my morality from exactly the same source as a Christian does, and it's not the Bible. I can prove that, challenge me." - Parasomnium.

Edited by Parasomnium, : Changed my "quote" of myself. (It isn't really a quote, I made it up for this message. But the invitation to challenge me stands.)


"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

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Parasomnium
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Message 88 of 196 (393423)
04-05-2007 2:49 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Rob
04-04-2007 10:57 PM


Re: Just fear of the consequences?
Rob writes:

Then why do people do good things?

Because it is the right thing to do...

It may be the right thing to do, but you made it clear that people are not inclined to do the right thing. You said that if it weren't for the fear of the consequences, all hell would break loose, meaning that people would do all kinds of bad things, and no good things. Luckily, you would have it, they fear the consequences of doing bad things, so they don't do them.

If they're inclined to do bad things, and no good things, and for some reason, they don't do bad things, what does it all add up to? That people don't do bad things, and don't do good things. Mind you, this is all deduced from your own premise that only fear keeps us in check.

If we see people doing good things, which we do, then what should we think of your premise? I think we can safely say that we are dealing with a case of reductio ad absurdum here. Your premise is false.

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"I get my morality from exactly the same source as a Christian does, and it's not the Bible. I can prove that, challenge me." - Parasomnium.

Edited by Parasomnium, : Removed extraneous "from"


"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?

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Parasomnium
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Message 91 of 196 (393472)
04-05-2007 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Rob
04-05-2007 9:53 AM


Re: Just fear of the consequences?
Rob writes:

You have already accepted the notion that you are 'good' because you do things for selfish reasons. And your scientific worldview reinforces that fact. And you've never really taken the time to seriously question otherwise. I mean, 'what's in it for you?'

Please, do not presume to know my inner thoughts and drives. You have absolutely no idea what I do or do not question. What you wrote here says more about you than about me.

You don't think, because it hurts your feelings to think. And as such, you remain a slave to your feelings, not understanding or asking why you do what you do, and endlessly seeking to keep the ball of happiness rolling to escape the pain. For you, thinking is painful. Why ruin a good mood?

Again, this is presumptuous and also bordering on offensive. Please, stop it.

If you keep trying to bury me, your going to become very bitter and mean. Just do what you think is right, and I'll do the same. That's what you believe right? The only catch is... that I believe doing the right thing is reminding you of these things so that is what I must do.

I'm not trying to bury you, I am just analyzing what you say and bringing some flaws in your reasoning, as I perceive them, to the surface. That's what I think is the right thing to do.

You decide which of us is full of hate for the other...

Is that how you perceive this? That I hate you? I don't even know you, so how can I hate you? What did I say that makes you think so? Was it your "dreadful state of mind" I mentioned? That's not hate, that's pity. Anyway, if you take offense at it, I apologize.

Now let's continue, quite dispassionately, to demolish each other's position, shall we?

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"I get my morality from exactly the same source as a Christian does, and it's not the Bible. I can prove that, challenge me." - Parasomnium.

Edited by Parasomnium, : No reason given.

Edited by Parasomnium, : Spelling


"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?

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