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Author Topic:   Belief in God is scientific.
ringo
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Message 145 of 262 (695464)
04-05-2013 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Ossat
04-05-2013 5:52 AM


Ossat writes:

Any living thing no matter how small and simple looks, is far too complex, has got far too much parts interacting together to be the result of unplanned events


A mountain is arguably more complex than any living thing. For a start, it has more parts. Yet nobody suggests that mountains aren't the result of unplanned events.

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Message 173 of 262 (695637)
04-08-2013 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by divermike1974
04-08-2013 10:04 AM


divermike1974 writes:

Name one other humanity wide argumentum ad populum that covers 80 odd percent of the human population today.


Why restrict it to today? What about all of the concepts that used to be popular but now most people know better? Flat earth? Geocentrism?

Popularity is fickle. Facts are more reliable.


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Message 202 of 262 (695801)
04-09-2013 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by divermike1974
04-08-2013 3:43 PM


divermike1974 writes:

... but those fallacies relate to the practice of the scientific method, not religious faith.


Of course the belief in a flat earth at the center of the universe did come from religious belief, not science, but the scientific method weeded out those bad hypotheses. The belief in God was never based on the scientific method so there was never any possibility of correcting it through science.

divermike1974 writes:

I can give you dozens of examples of isolated populations believing in a deity but only a few examples of European idiots believing the world was flat.


Galileo's ghost is eager to hear your list.

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Message 215 of 262 (695917)
04-10-2013 12:10 PM
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04-09-2013 12:57 PM


Dr Adequate writes:

ringo writes:

Of course the belief in a flat earth at the center of the universe did come from religious belief, not science ...


Usually from neither. It came from "common sense".

One piece of evidence for a round earth is the shape of the earth's shadow on the moon - but that only works if you believe/know that it is the earth's shadow. That belief/knowledge depends on cosmology which often depends on religion. In a cosmology which has the moon's phases caused by the gods (eating the moon or whatever), you might find the best evidence for the earth's shape by looking out the window.

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Message 219 of 262 (695921)
04-10-2013 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by divermike1974
04-10-2013 4:00 AM


Re: No need for scripture.
divermike1974 writes:

... how can belief not be classed as a scientific quantity?


"Belief" in general is a psychological phenomenon, which can be called a "scientific quantity" if you like. That doesn't make individual beliefs scientific.

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Message 220 of 262 (695922)
04-10-2013 12:21 PM
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04-10-2013 12:16 PM


Dr Adequate writes:

Hmm ... I think you're reaching a little.


Well, I'm trying to clarify, not argue.

Dr Adequate writes:

Also, the moon's phases are not caused by the Earth's shadow on the moon. Eclipses of the moon are caused by the Earth's shadow, the phases of the moon aren't.


Thanks for the correction. The phases of the moon would suggest that the moon is round, I suppose.

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Message 260 of 262 (745792)
12-27-2014 12:16 PM
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12-26-2014 3:45 AM


kishan writes:

Yes in science God is considered be the biggest energy neither be created neither be destroy.


E'God

Edited by ringo, : Added quote.


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Message 262 of 262 (745848)
12-28-2014 1:23 PM
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12-28-2014 5:35 AM


Phat writes:

Emotion can be expressed as E-Motion. Energy in motion.


I think the physics is a little off.

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