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Message 128 of 262 (695418)
04-05-2013 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Ossat
04-05-2013 8:29 AM


Abiogenesis is not the theory of evolution
Ossat writes:

For example I have learnt that for life to be possible you need DNA which contains the necessary information to make up a given living thing; RNA to transport the information and proteins to build the actual living thing. How can you possibly have all this much together without nobody making it happen? that is nonsense for me. How could the information in the DNA make itself? how could the chains of amino acids that form the proteins appear by accident and get it just right? you know the simple and weak explanation provided by evolutionary theory: "given enough time and opportunities anything is possible". I just don't buy it anymore

If you had any basic education at all you would know that abiogenesis deals with how life started and the theory of evolution deals with what happened to life after it started. Because of this above I don't think that you had any education at all. Therefore I don't buy it when you claim that you had an education.

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Message 129 of 262 (695420)
04-05-2013 9:07 AM
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04-05-2013 8:01 AM


Ossam writes:

To do science you need to reproduce by experiment your hypothesis.

Nope, it doesn't. Had any education?
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Message 151 of 262 (695555)
04-07-2013 12:56 PM
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04-05-2013 10:45 AM


Unfortunately for you, the work of specialists on a subject, where the research and publications of those people are published with all the data obtained, in scientific journals, cannot be ignored.

Your opinion can be ignored. The opinions of cave-dwellers certainly can't be taken seriously in the modern world.

You're uneducated. Your opinion is not important at all. Whether you like it or not.

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Message 163 of 262 (695594)
04-08-2013 7:08 AM
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04-08-2013 5:22 AM


divermike1974 writes:

The human brain contrary to what some of you say IS the most complex thing in the known universe and the vast majority of those brains (people) believe in some form of God, so why isn't that overwhelming majority taken seriously from a scientific point of view as 'evidence' for God?

Firstly, because an Argumentum ad populum is a very bad argument.

Secondly, I don't know why you would even try an Argumentum ad populum, because it works against you.

Only around 33% of the World population present themselves as being Christian. So, around 67% of the world population don't believe in your chosen God or Gods.

Around 50% of Christians are Catholic. This means that around 16.5% of the world population are Catholic. And around 16.5% of the world population are all those different Protestants, Eastern Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, etc. Muslims around 21% of the world population. Hindus around 13% of the world population . Non-religious people around 13% of the world population.

The country you live in, divermike1974, is not representative of the world population. Think before you write. An Argumentum ad populum doesn't work for you.


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Message 164 of 262 (695595)
04-08-2013 7:15 AM
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04-08-2013 5:22 AM


divermike1974 writes:

The main point of this whole thread was to show that though the universe is relatively simple to explain,...

To your horror you found out that the universe certainly is not easy to explain at all....therefore thousands of specialists are working on it.

Any qualifications in the subject? Thousands of people from all over the world do have excellent qualifications on the subject. They studied it for many, many years. Professionally.

Do you think that you know more than all of them together by reading a book or two?


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Message 165 of 262 (695597)
04-08-2013 7:31 AM
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04-08-2013 5:22 AM


divermike writes:

The human brain contrary to what some of you say IS the most complex thing in the known universe

Please define the word 'complex' and how you would be able to measure 'complex' to be able to compare.
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Message 195 of 262 (695754)
04-09-2013 6:52 AM
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04-09-2013 6:05 AM


The chances of winning Powerball in my country are 1 in 24 million. Occasionally someone wins it. Big.

Someone can and will win it every now and then. Hopefully it will be me next time around! I'll keep on playing, but won't ever bet my hard-earned savings and future pension on me winning it.

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Message 197 of 262 (695756)
04-09-2013 7:07 AM
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04-09-2013 6:55 AM


Yip, tomorrow night again. I hope and believe that I'm going to win it; along with 40 million others having the same thoughts for and about themselves.

Chances are it won't be won at all.

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Message 213 of 262 (695893)
04-10-2013 4:17 AM
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04-10-2013 4:00 AM


Re: No need for scripture.
Actually, human brains exist and beliefs originate in the brain, therefore beliefs can be scientifically investigated; for example scans can be done on human brains to determine where beliefs originate from.

Gods can't be considered as scientific at all, because there's not even one bit of empirical, verifiable evidence for the existence of a Supernatural God or Gods.


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Message 240 of 262 (696012)
04-11-2013 3:15 AM
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04-11-2013 1:34 AM


I got the same feeling.

I had a quick look at other parts (on 'cosmology', but not really on cosmology) written by Richard Deem (who's claimed to have an M in Microbiology). Doesn't bode well for his knowledge on Physics or Cosmology.

Maybe ViperAce should start a thread on it. I could learn from the people who know more than me on those subjects.

I'm still trying to get my head around many of the posts on Cosmology and Physics on the other thread mentioned. The Physics 1 I did years ago is not of too much help at all.

My fear is that it's just going to be the same regurgitated, yet totally unconvincing, arguments presented.

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Message 243 of 262 (696017)
04-11-2013 4:34 AM
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04-11-2013 3:58 AM


Re: belief
Reading books is a great way to learn. As a beginning.

Going to University and study the subject , then do some research, then publish it, where every specialist in the world can read it reject it or accept it, would be a lot better than just reading books and claiming that all those specialists are all wrong.


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