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Pressie
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Message 37 of 385 (695743)
04-09-2013 3:59 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Faith
04-09-2013 3:16 AM


Re: The Trinity is thoroughly Biblical
I haven't gone through all the verses of the source and I don't know if your source mentions it, but what does it say about Mark 13:32? It reads:
Mark 13:32 NIV 2011 writes:
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
One part not knowing what the other knows. Doesn't make sense for a 3-in-1 God or Gods. Do they have different brains? Did the writers of the Book of Mark make a mistake in claiming that Jesus said this?
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Pressie
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Message 39 of 385 (695753)
04-09-2013 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Alter2Ego
04-09-2013 6:06 AM


Re: The Trinity is thoroughly Biblical
Alter2Ego writes:
ALTER2EGO -to- FAITH::
You don't get, do you? When presenting scriptures in support of questionable religious doctrines, the requirement is that the verse be quoted so that the words being focused on can be bolded or italicized for the benefit of others.
Really? Any references to that requirement? Do you ignore the parts the individual 'quoters' did not 'bold' or 'italize' to his or her liking?
You people.
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Pressie
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Message 44 of 385 (695831)
04-09-2013 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Faith
04-09-2013 1:44 PM


Re: The Trinity is thoroughly Biblical
Faith writes:
Faith writes:
The Trinity is not made up of "parts."
Really? Then the son should know exactly what the Father and the Holy Ghost know, too.
Faith writes:
They are three separate individual Persons, and that is what this scripture verse affirms.
Doesn't make sense. Three individual Gods, then. So, not 3 in 1 then, but 1 in 3. Only one 'person' knows something, the other 'persons 'don't.
Faith writes:
They all have the attributes of God but they each have separate individual roles.
Three completely different parts, then. So, one actor playing three roles without kowing exactly what the other roles are supposed to represent. Even though they're supposed to be Almighty.
Faith writes:
So this verse is perfectly consistent with the Trinity as taught.
Nope. Not consistent at all. All three of them are supposed to be almighty and know it all.
Faith writes:
It is a hard concept to grasp, but you aren't asked to grasp it, merely recognize what it actually says.
Not hard at all. Wishful thinking. Easy. Anyone can imagine exactly what a person wants to imagine. Green wings on the favourite fairy.
You still haven't answered why only one in three knows it, the other two don't.
By the way, did you find the verse I mentioned in the link you provided or did that source ignore it?
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Pressie
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Message 58 of 385 (695875)
04-09-2013 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Faith
04-09-2013 5:13 PM


Re: The Trinity is thoroughly Biblical
So, your God is a committee existing of three different Persons. It consists of a Head honcho and two lesser Members. The convener knows more than the two lesser Gods and keeps secrets from them.
The lesser members don't seem to be Almighty as they don't know everything.
Is this Biblical?

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Pressie
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Message 60 of 385 (695877)
04-10-2013 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Faith
04-09-2013 5:13 PM


Re: The Trinity is thoroughly Biblical
Faith writes:
It should also perhaps be noted that Jesus as incarnate Christ, as man, is subordinate to the Father in role though He is still God and must have the attributes of God. He intentionally gave up the prerogatives of Deity to become man. Which doesn't mean He gave up Deity itself, which He couldn't do anyway, but He gave up the prerogatives attached to it, as expressed in Philippians 2:
This still doesn’t explain why the Holy Ghost doesn’t know, but only the Father. Can’t read anywhere that The Holy Ghost intentionally gave up ‘prerogatives of Diety’ to become man.
I’ll repeat the verse: Mark 13:32 NIV 2011:
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
By the way, it would be easy for any Almighty God to become fully man while also maintaining the 'prerogatives of Diety'. Any Almighty God is supposed to be able to do anything and know everything.
Edited by Pressie, : Changed last sentence

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Pressie
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Message 61 of 385 (695878)
04-10-2013 12:20 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Faith
04-09-2013 11:59 PM


Re: The Trinity is thoroughly Biblical
Faith writes:
of course not, but then I don't expect any of the weird stuff you say to be biblical.
But it a very accurate description of what you claim the trinity is.

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Pressie
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Message 67 of 385 (695895)
04-10-2013 4:51 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Faith
04-10-2013 3:52 AM


Re: Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?
Faith writes:
I feel the same about another poster on this thread who majors in mockery and misrepresentation.
Great, I'm on your mind. Now you only have to get those verses on your mind, too.
All I did was to quote a Bible verse. Here it is again, Mark 13:32 NIV 2011:
quote:
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
  —Mark 13:32 NIV 2011
Seems like only the 'Person' who's head of the committee knows it all....
I can provide other verses, too, from the NIV 2011:
Matthew 11:27 writes:
All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
The poor Holy Ghost is left out again.
Matthew 24:36 writes:
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
The Holy Ghost must feel a bit neglected.
Don't think a committee could work very well this way.

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Pressie
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Message 69 of 385 (695897)
04-10-2013 5:28 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Faith
04-10-2013 5:18 AM


Re: The Trinity is thoroughly Biblical
Not at all. I even wrote something about it.
The poor Holy Ghost part of the Committee. Read my previous comment; I actually provided more verses saying essentially the same thing.
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Pressie
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Message 72 of 385 (695900)
04-10-2013 5:46 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
04-10-2013 5:35 AM


Re: The Trinity is thoroughly Biblical
I actually provided two more verses.
What language I used on this thread do you find offensive, anyway? Head honcho? God? Committee? Lesser Gods?
Do we need to impose an age restriction on people reading those words?
Something like: Anyone reading the words 'Head honcho' or 'God' or 'committee' or 'lesser Gods', must be over the age of 99 and be accompanied by two legal guardians at least ten years older than that'?

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