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Author Topic:   Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?
New Cat's Eye
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Message 14 of 77 (695724)
04-08-2013 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Alter2Ego
04-08-2013 11:38 PM


Re: Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?
quote:
PROTOTYPICAL:
Hi Alter2Ego
What I see is really only one law and that is that all forces will find their point of balance or equilibrium eventually.
The molecules of a crystal formed up that way because all of their integral forces are precisely the same and they come together in a way that appears ordered. In fact, those molecules are no more ordered than the molecules in a pile of sand. All of the molecules in the pile of sand are precisely where they need to be given the forces acting on them. All of the 'stuff' in the universe is coming to a state of balance as dictated by the forces working on them.

Why should it take an intelligent agent to make one omnipresent condition?



Hello Prototypical.

You asked why should it take an intelligent agent, while under the same breath, you acknowledge that the integral forces of molecules are "precise" and all the molecules in the same are "precisely" where they should be. So as you see it, precision resulted spontaneously or by accident. Is that what you are saying?

Assuming so, doesn't that mean that you are saying that an Intelligent Designer is ordering the piles of sand that are all over the place?


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 19 of 77 (695791)
04-09-2013 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Huntard
04-09-2013 6:28 AM


Nope, sorry, Pluto's not a planet.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 36 of 77 (696032)
04-11-2013 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Alter2Ego
04-11-2013 10:29 AM


Re: Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?
precision in nature is evidence of intelligent design.

How is precision in nature evidence of intelligent design?


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 41 of 77 (696045)
04-11-2013 12:53 PM
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04-11-2013 12:32 PM


Re: Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?
Is English not your first language?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 58 of 77 (696090)
04-11-2013 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by NoNukes
04-11-2013 7:23 PM


Re: Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?
Is English not your first language?

Is this Alter2Ego's first universe?

Of course it is. He very well could be trolling, but if he's having trouble understanding English then that would also make sense.

But obviously, what he says his quotes are saying is not what they are actually saying... so something's wrong.

Meh, maybe he's young.


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Message 63 of 77 (696134)
04-12-2013 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by NoNukes
04-11-2013 9:13 PM


Re: Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?
It could be that Alter2Ego sees what he/she expects to see.

I dunno, man. Its starting to look intentional. For example, if he was on the other side and saying stuff like this:

quote:
Hey, look at Psalm 14:1...

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

It says right there that god doesn't exist!


Would you really believe that was a simply misunderstanding? Or seeing what you want?

I mean, the errors are so gross that I'm having trouble believing that its unintentional.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 75 of 77 (697233)
04-22-2013 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Alter2Ego
04-20-2013 9:52 PM


Something that is precise indicates deliberation.

No, not necessarily. Take a look at this puddle:

The edge of that pothole lines up with 100% precision with edge of the water. According to your argument, that would indicate that the pothole was deliberately made to line up with the water.

Since we know that isn't true, we can deduce that the claim that precision indicates deliberation is incorrect. Precision can suggest design, but without it being a necessity it is not an indication.

Logic based upon the dismissal of evidence is flawed logic--which is what atheists bring to the table.

Well I'm not an atheist. But I can still see that your same old tired arguments are just plain bad ones.

Evidence of Jehovah God's existence is dismissed every single time one ignores the complexity of the natural world.

We all know that complexity, and precision, do not necessarily indicate design. Snowflakes are complex, but they're not designed. You're bringing up stuff that's already been refuted, and honestly, you're just debating them poorly.

To avoid the trap of stubbornness, one must allow logic and evidence to interact.

But you're the one displaying the most stubborn behavior. You don't address the rebuttals to your arguments, and instead just repeat yourself.

It seems to me that you're playing that old creationist game: "Lets see if you guys are capable of convincing me of this basic fact". Then you do everything you can do to avoid admitting that said fact is true.

Like you are now with the whole "Its only a theory" bit. What are you, in high school or something? The ignorance you display is surprising.


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