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caffeine
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Message 49 of 91 (696607)
04-17-2013 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Dogmafood
04-17-2013 10:28 AM


Penile correlations and rape in the past
Sure they do but I would say that is a recent development. I mean look at any society just 2000 yrs ago. Is there even one that you could point to where the women were treated equally? I am not saying that they didn't have some input. Even a lowly slave girl could twist the will of a king but as a rule I would wager that the men of history have had a lot more say regarding who breeds with who.
How common are forced copulations in hunter gatherer societies today? I'd guess a lot less than you seem to be implying - except in intertribal conflict. I would think conceptions due to rape in wartime would only be inthe minority though.
I don't know how much choice human women had over choice of partners over most of our history, but I don't think you can just assume it was slim.
Why wouldn't we assume that penis size developed along with general physique and it was the other much more important qualities of being able to hunt better or having a disposition for doing the dishes that led to the actual choices that women made.
Because, contrary to your claims later in the post, there is no correlation between penis size and height. Penis size seems to vary independently of the size of the rest of the body.

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caffeine
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Message 55 of 91 (696686)
04-18-2013 9:20 AM
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04-17-2013 11:56 AM


Re: Penile correlations and rape in the past
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How sure are we that penis size is fully inheritable. Perhaps the difference between a tiny one, and a functional one is subject to natural selection. But is there any evidence that the difference between a functional one, and a Johnny Wadd monster is passed on to offspring rather than being subject to non-genetic factors. I don't know enough biology to accurately list the possibilities, but perhaps something during embyo development or epignetics factors.
Apparently it's not all inherited, according to wikipedia at least. Their article on penis size lists a nuch of chemical factors during development which can affect the size of the penis, but most of these seem to be to reduce it from what it would otherwise have been.
I'm afraid I don't really know anything about this, so I can't help you much further.

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caffeine
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Message 64 of 91 (696860)
04-19-2013 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Dogmafood
04-18-2013 10:59 PM


Re: it matters
If you look at the evolution of women's rights from 2000 yrs ago until today you can not deny that they have improved. Why wouldn't you assume that this trend would continue further back into eras of which we have no proof?
Why would you assume this - this seems to betray a very poor understanding of the development of human society. Few things have changed in some straight line as you travel through time. The classic example is stature, which in industrialised societies is busy breaking new records. As you go back, people get shorter - until they stop getting shorter, since you realise their shortness was the result of the conditions of industrial society. And then you go back further, and suddenly realise that before the development of agriculture people were taller again.
I think this is the point that Jon is getting at. Just because most historical socieities were more patriarchal than ours, we can't assume the same of pre-historical societies.
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