bombs in Boston ... and now in Texas???

Are these your words?

They are a classic example of the dishonest tactics of "quote mining", misrepresentation and taking things out of context. A perfect trifecta.The quote in full said "But once we learn if there is a message or what the reasons were, we need to look and see if there are perhaps changes we need to make in our behavior as a nation and as a culture." and can be found in Message 86.Please point out in the full quote where I say that we should change anything because there was a bomb?I try to make sure that what I write stays at around the fifth or sixth grade comprehension level.Maybe that is too high.

Is that not what this entire thread is about? A fucking BOMB that exploded in Boston? Are you really trying to be so pendantic as to separate the issues?You are now saying we should change our culture based on their motive (the motive for BOMBing a building), but it has nothing to do with a BOMB? I really have no idea why I even bothered to enter into discussion with you. I should have known better.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

More bullshit.The quote in full said "But once we learn if there is a message or what the reasons were, we need to look and see if there are perhaps changes we need to make in our behavior as a nation and as a culture." and can be found in Message 86.Maybe it is long before your time but this is not the first instance of bombings in the US. Not too long ago there were people bombing churches and people burning down their own neighborhoods and towns. The time was horrendous and it seemed that the US had gone mad.But Americans looked at the school and church bombings, looked at the reasons they happened.Americans looked at the burning cities, the burning neighborhoods, looked at the reasons they happened.And Americans realized that some of their behavior, some of their culture, some of their behaviors were contributing causes of the bombings and riots and burnings and began making positive changes.

Are you ill? You have just now admitted that you DID say what you have spent the last 4 messages denying you said. What, exactly, did I say that was "bullshit"?Now that you admit to saying what you denied saying: why should you or I change our behavior due to someone bombing stuff? How does the way I live cause someone to bomb something?OR (and you culd have clarified long ago)Do you mean that we, as a society, need to change how we deal with people that struggle with mental health issues?If the former, I heartily disagree and think you know better than to use the sin argument (people set bombs off because of violence and nudity and sex on TV and because society is "fallen")If the latter, then I agree. Either way, stop being a trite dickhead and make clear what you are trying to say.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

Sorry but even in what you quoted where do I say that we should change our behavior because of a bombing?It is not the bomb we should be guided by but rather an examination of our behavior.

Then why are you bringing it up here? This thread is about a couple bombs that went off in Boston. i am sure you can see why I made the "mistake" of thinking you were talking about the subject matter. I shall never again accuse you of actually being on topic (that is, of course, if I make it out of this conversation with any amount of sanity). Ok, let's break this down Barney style: what behavior? Next: why do we need to examine it? Who is included in "our"? What causes us to need to examine it?If you cannot answer these questions, please don't bother responding.

I have answered those questions.

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Well we simply have no idea yet about who did it or why. What you said was "Its either that or a disturbed domestic individual. Im not suggesting anything yet...we shall see. And what would be your response, were you a national leader? Turn the other cheek?"

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Your post says that who ever did it must be "disturbed" if it was domestic.

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It could well be "disturbed" and foreign.

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It could be quite reasonable and logical and domestic.

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It could be the act of someone seeking justice.

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What I believe is totally irrelevant. The fact is that right now all we know is that there were at least two explosions, when and where the explosions happened and that there were injuries and deaths.

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Who and why are still total unknowns and it is silly to classify them as "disturbed" or "illogical" or "unreasonable" until more is known.

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It is very possible, even likely, that whoever planted the bombs, whether foreign or domestic, believes that their actions were completely reasonable, logical, ethical and justified. Whether it was foreign or domestic has nothing to do with how they view their motivation.

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Actually, I can most certainly imagine a Wyoming Rancher thinking he should be in a state of war against the US because of drone surveillance and the potential of strikes.

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If we are smart, maybe possibly even wise though, we should look at and understand what motivated them and see if we shouldn't change our behavior.

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But you don't know that. So far no one knows what the message or purpose was or even if there was a message.

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The point is that the person or persons that committed these acts may not be "disturbed" (what ever that means) and could be foreign or domestic.

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But once we learn if there is a message or what the reasons were, we need to look and see if there are perhaps changes we need to make in our behavior as a nation and as a culture.

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More bullshit.

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The quote in full said "But once we learn if there is a message or what the reasons were, we need to look and see if there are perhaps changes we need to make in our behavior as a nation and as a culture." and can be found in Message 86.

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Maybe it is long before your time but this is not the first instance of bombings in the US. Not too long ago there were people bombing churches and people burning down their own neighborhoods and towns. The time was horrendous and it seemed that the US had gone mad.

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But Americans looked at the school and church bombings, looked at the reasons they happened.

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Americans looked at the burning cities, the burning neighborhoods, looked at the reasons they happened.

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And Americans realized that some of their behavior, some of their culture, some of their behaviors were contributing causes of the bombings and riots and burnings and began making positive changes.

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from Message 94What we need to examine will be based on what the reason was for the behavior and no one knows that yet.As I said, the bombings, burning and riots caused us to reexamine our behavior. We realized that some of our behavior, our culture, or society, our politics, our education needed changing.Right now we have no idea why the bombings took place. Once we learn that then we should examine our behavior, our society, our culture, our politics our education and see if there are things we should change.

So your idea of clarifying your point is to just requote all of your posts in this thread in their entirety? Here's a hint: if I didn't quite catch it the first time your typed it, what makes you think I will if you just put it all in one place?You aren't being clear. I am asking you for clarification. Do you, or do you not, care about actually communicating? Or do you just want to posture?

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

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Looks like the 1 guy x 2 bombs hypothesis is dead.I suppose that must increase the chances of this being terrorism.

I guess that most of you dont know jar the way that I do, and he will even cause me to reframe my assessment. But I think I know what he is implying....and, by the way, hooah...you will never get jar to answer your questions. All you can hope to do is ask better questions yourself for him to comment on. If any one of us gets to frame the issue, jar will rarely go along...he will continue asking questions and reframe the issue the way that he sees fit.That being said,and, correct me jar if i am wrong......Essentially, the bombings in Boston may have been done as a statement and way to get the attention of society in order to cause us(society) to re examine our behavior against other people in this world. We are not called to change our way of life...installing cameras at every corner of America, for example...or carrying more guns or not carrying more guns....but we are called to examine the way that our culture (and/or sub culture) gets along with other cultures and with society at large.Hypothetically...the perpetrator of this attack may be in your mind quite sane and has as an agenda a demand for greater societal examination and/or renunciation of behavior. Am I getting you right?

No, you don't have it quite right but you are getting close.

Yeah, looks like I was wrong about everything. It happens.