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Author Topic:   UK's Thatcher, rot in hell . . .
NoNukes
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Message 25 of 149 (696499)
04-16-2013 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by 1.61803
04-16-2013 12:51 PM


Re: speak ill of the dead?
I still feel saying rot in hell and the like at a funeral is in poor taste.
At the funeral, yes. But dronestar isn't at the funeral. We might argue about which comments are more over the top, but let's also take into account the time and place in which dronestar made his comments.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 40 of 149 (696518)
04-16-2013 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by nwr
04-16-2013 1:58 PM


Reagan's election was a reaction to the incompetence of Carter. He (Carter) was good on policy decision, but a failure at using the president's bully pulpit. In the 1976 presidential campaign, I was asking "Jimmy who?" I'm still asking. This was a terrible choice for candidate. We cannot blame everything on Reagan without looking to the failures that resulted in Reagan being elected.
Incredible...
Somehow we cannot hold Reagan totally responsible for his own actions, because he should have been prevented him from being elected? Is that really any kind of argument?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 42 of 149 (696521)
04-16-2013 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by nwr
04-16-2013 2:11 PM


Here again is what I said:
NoNukes writes:
Somehow we cannot hold Reagan totally responsible for his own actions, because he should have been prevented him from being elected? Is that really any kind of argument?
In response to this:
We cannot blame everything on Reagan without looking to the failures that resulted in Reagan being elected.
To which you respond:
Where did I say that we cannot hold Reagan responsible for his own actions?
Reagan is completely responsible for his own actions. Surely you can see the attempt to say otherwise in your words quoted above. You deflect blame Reagan, at least in part, because Jimmy Carter was a bad candidate. That's not holding Reagan responsible for his own actions.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 80 of 149 (696658)
04-17-2013 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by nwr
04-16-2013 7:00 PM


Everything" is not the same as "Reagan's own actions".
Yes, I did miss that distinction when I responded.
Yet the important thing is that Reagan's (and Thatcher's) own actions are what people justifiably find contemptuous. Unless your argument is that people are going beyond that to blame them for everything, and that is certainly not what I do, your comment still misses the mark.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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