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nwr
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Message 125 of 526 (671648)
08-28-2012 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by hooah212002
08-28-2012 7:11 PM


Re: Atheism+
hooah212002 writes:
Last, but most certainly not least, here we have RW herself insinuating very blatantly that if your are not A+ and "just atheist, you are a misogynist and racist.
Rebecca Watson writes:
My one other concern, ever since the A+ branding has caught on, is for humanism. You see, personally, I’m happy to leave atheism to the misogynists and the racists, and continue to define it as a simple lack of religion. I’ve long seen atheism as a broad and somewhat boring label, and I’m content to continue seeing it that way. And I’ve long seen secular humanism as the natural path for those atheists who are ready to move beyond the conclusion that there’s no such thing as a god: Sure there’s no god, but what are you going to do about it?
(bolding mine)
No, there is no such insinuation there.

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Message 128 of 526 (671652)
08-28-2012 8:30 PM
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08-28-2012 7:46 PM


Re: Atheism+
hooah212002 writes:
Then what does that bolded sentence say to you?
It says that RW is leaving plain atheism, in favor of A+, and that she hopes (perhaps encourages) others of like mind to join her.

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Message 130 of 526 (671659)
08-28-2012 9:37 PM
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08-28-2012 9:03 PM


Re: Atheism+
hooah212002 writes:
Do you not see those two words there?
So what?
She neither says, nor implies, that only misogynists and racists will remain.

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nwr
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Message 135 of 526 (671665)
08-28-2012 11:17 PM
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08-28-2012 9:44 PM


Re: Atheism+
She used a common idiom, which does not have the implications that you are claiming.

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Message 136 of 526 (671666)
08-28-2012 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by bluegenes
08-28-2012 10:58 PM


Re: Atheism+
..., but you can't organize a bunch of people who don't necessarily have any beliefs in common.
Yes, exactly right.
I keep seeing atheist meetings being pushed on some of the blogs. And I can't imagine why I would ever want to attend one. I suppose there is slightly more content to a skeptics meeting, though I can't imagine why I would want to attend one of those either.

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Message 153 of 526 (678053)
11-04-2012 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by roxrkool
11-04-2012 12:59 PM


Re: Atheism+
You know, I read about this *elevatorgate* episode previously, just before I stopped reading Pharyngula, and I honestly didn't see the big deal at the time.
Rebecca Watson made a comment about an incident that happened to her, and which has come to be known as "elevator guy".
PZ Myers thought this mentioning on his blog.
No big deal in either case. It was just a point that they thought mentioning. And they did not make a big deal of it.
But then large numbers of people came out of the woodwork, and did make a big deal of it. They were very angry at Watson for even mentioning the incident, and angry at PZ for mentioning it on his blog.
This should have been a minor issue. Many people made a big deal out of it. That is what suggested that there is a problem.

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Message 159 of 526 (678103)
11-05-2012 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by roxrkool
11-05-2012 1:08 AM


Re: Even more complicated
I remain skeptical of RW in general, and I really don't agree with her or her followers' opinions on feminism.
I respect her right to free speech, which she exercises on her blog.
However, I am not a regular reader of her blog. I have better ways to spend my time.
Still, nothing justifies the reaction to her post and youtube video. If people think "elevator guy incident" was no big deal (and I'm inclined to agree with that), shouldn't they also think that RW's reaction was also no big deal?

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